Quadrifoglio woes; it's too much.
Discussion
robsco said:
I think the sense of fear in a Giulia Q is due, in part, to the fact that they are extremely tail happy. There are 500bhp cars out there which put their power down with far less histrionics. I love a Giulia Q, but you do need to have your wits about you if you want to press on.
I’m seriously considering changing my M2 comp for a QF shortly.I had an F-Type R, just the rwd version with 500hp and that too was very tail happy, and incredibly so in the wet.
Fitting some Michelin PS4s tyres tamed it to a large degree, but I’m left wondering just how much more of a handful the QF can be over that. (And to some extent, my M2) ?
MadCaptainJack said:
Presumably the tail-happiness is moderated somewhat when using the saner driving modes (i.e. A or N)?
Or just better tyres. The Corsas are renowned for being a bit slippery when they're cold, or the weather's anything other than peak Italian summer, so just swap them out for Goodyear Supersports or Michelin PS4S and it'll be a lot more stable and predictable.Square Leg said:
robsco said:
I think the sense of fear in a Giulia Q is due, in part, to the fact that they are extremely tail happy. There are 500bhp cars out there which put their power down with far less histrionics. I love a Giulia Q, but you do need to have your wits about you if you want to press on.
I’m seriously considering changing my M2 comp for a QF shortly.I had an F-Type R, just the rwd version with 500hp and that too was very tail happy, and incredibly so in the wet.
Fitting some Michelin PS4s tyres tamed it to a large degree, but I’m left wondering just how much more of a handful the QF can be over that. (And to some extent, my M2) ?
I will never utilise Race mode on the road and don't think it brings much more to the party post gearbox map, maybe to a talented driver on track?
I'm on MPS4S, even though OEM 285s available I'll stick with the 295s. I don't push on in any car in the wet but the QF is fine in normal. In the dry and Dynamic the Alfa is very planted, front and rear, recalibrating braking areas on you favourite road is more interesting, you reach them so much quicker carrying more speed, same for bottoming out on your favourite undulations. Inside a bit dated but driving position is very adjustable and just right for me. I would not describe as a handful except on cold Corsas in Race mode in which case you'll crash 🙂
I am currently thinking about taking in my W204 C63 wagon for a Quadrifoglio. Why just because after three years of ownership I want a change. I drive 5,000 a year with a small Fiesta for local trips. Am used to over 500 bhp after a DMS remap but worry somewhat about reliability and durability. What are these like for running costs beyond petrol? Also how do they behave in town as I am based in central London but tend do drive outside of the rush hour?
I’ve made a similar transition from a W204 C63 coupe. The QF doesn’t feel as well built to be honest, the build quality is good and probably comparable to the W205 Mercs but the facelift W204 was built like a tank. Running costs similar overall, servicing about the same on average, some services cheaper but the 4th is expensive although some dealers offer a great 3 year service plan. Despite the extra power, seems to go through less tyres although I ran Contis on the Merc vs. Michelin’s now (original Pirelli’s got about 11k out of the rears). Insurance similar for me. Town driving very easy, ZF auto gearbox smoother than MCT. Ride quality is a different league better
Dezbo said:
DrBrule said:
Or enjoys having their driving licence.
Agree you have to be careful and if that was spoiling your enjoyment fair enough. The handling of the car is as enjoyable as the pure speed for me but perhaps you get a large part of that in a Veloce as well.
I had it 4 days, did minimal miles and it’s been sat in the local Alfa dealers workshop ever since. I stopped at a junction and it refused to start. Fuel pressure sensor failure apparently; it randomly tells the car it thinks it’s empty. New parts are arriving this week & it’s still under warranty, but still... DrBrule said:
Wouldn’t know I had it 4 days, did minimal miles and it’s been sat in the local Alfa dealers workshop ever since. I stopped at a junction and it refused to start. Fuel pressure sensor failure apparently; it randomly tells the car it thinks it’s empty. New parts are arriving this week & it’s still under warranty, but still...
Sorry to hear this, hopefully this will be the first and last issue and then you can enjoy your car! It will be worth your patience I had it 4 days, did minimal miles and it’s been sat in the local Alfa dealers workshop ever since. I stopped at a junction and it refused to start. Fuel pressure sensor failure apparently; it randomly tells the car it thinks it’s empty. New parts are arriving this week & it’s still under warranty, but still... DrBrule said:
Wouldn’t know I had it 4 days, did minimal miles and it’s been sat in the local Alfa dealers workshop ever since. I stopped at a junction and it refused to start. Fuel pressure sensor failure apparently; it randomly tells the car it thinks it’s empty. New parts are arriving this week & it’s still under warranty, but still...
Reject it! I had it 4 days, did minimal miles and it’s been sat in the local Alfa dealers workshop ever since. I stopped at a junction and it refused to start. Fuel pressure sensor failure apparently; it randomly tells the car it thinks it’s empty. New parts are arriving this week & it’s still under warranty, but still... Alfahorn said:
Reject it!
I started a thread about it in the Car Buying forum. That did cross my mind, however the only other Veloce models the dealer had, if I were to swap, were in colours I'm not keen on and with black interiors and with more (trouble free?!) miles under their belt. This particular one is Monte Carlo Blue with tan leather and just 7000 miles on the clock.I've been updated as to the progress; apparently Alfa UK have had a few cars show the same symptoms so there is a precedent. They've instructed the garage to replace numerous fuel sensors, pumps and other bits. Should be ready this week.
DrBrule said:
I started a thread about it in the Car Buying forum. That did cross my mind, however the only other Veloce models the dealer had, if I were to swap, were in colours I'm not keen on and with black interiors and with more (trouble free?!) miles under their belt. This particular one is Monte Carlo Blue with tan leather and just 7000 miles on the clock.
I've been updated as to the progress; apparently Alfa UK have had a few cars show the same symptoms so there is a precedent. They've instructed the garage to replace numerous fuel sensors, pumps and other bits. Should be ready this week.
Fair enough. I've been updated as to the progress; apparently Alfa UK have had a few cars show the same symptoms so there is a precedent. They've instructed the garage to replace numerous fuel sensors, pumps and other bits. Should be ready this week.
Monte Carlo Blue is nice. Personally I favour this over the Missano Blue everyone seems to rave about.
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