Guilia experiences wanted! (the cheaper cars)
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Encouraged by me I looked at an early example 2016 for my son last year, together with the Jaguar XE, previous shape 3 Series and the Audi A4.
Whilst the Alfa was the clear favourite for a young person on a budget the downside was the price. They hold their price so well that can only be testament to their desirability. I don’t think you can really go wrong long term with a Guilia.
Incidentally he bought a late 2016 Audi A4 2.0 190 S Line from Audi. It’s a great car and one I enjoy driving on the occasions he allows me.
Whilst the Alfa was the clear favourite for a young person on a budget the downside was the price. They hold their price so well that can only be testament to their desirability. I don’t think you can really go wrong long term with a Guilia.
Incidentally he bought a late 2016 Audi A4 2.0 190 S Line from Audi. It’s a great car and one I enjoy driving on the occasions he allows me.
What did you do OP? I've just started a thread in Car Buying considering one of these or an XE.
The Alfa, if we ignore the YouTube video of them being pinched for a mo, had multiair units which need swapping and rear seat handles that fall out, as confirm in this thread.
Apart from that all feedback is positive. And this is an intriguing option, is the Veloce trim a cut above the lower spec models? As in, you can get the grunt with a remap but are you still missing out on the rest by going for a Super in the first?
That having been said the 2.0 is about 17.5k with sub 40k on, the Veloce still over 20k with similar miles, maybe over 21, so where there is a gap, it isn't huge.
The Alfa, if we ignore the YouTube video of them being pinched for a mo, had multiair units which need swapping and rear seat handles that fall out, as confirm in this thread.
Apart from that all feedback is positive. And this is an intriguing option, is the Veloce trim a cut above the lower spec models? As in, you can get the grunt with a remap but are you still missing out on the rest by going for a Super in the first?
That having been said the 2.0 is about 17.5k with sub 40k on, the Veloce still over 20k with similar miles, maybe over 21, so where there is a gap, it isn't huge.
Kingdom35 said:
Following with interest.
Looking at Giulia's under the 20k price bracket. Petrol, is the Super a massive downstep from the Veloce? Ie should i wait for one of the later to show up?
Im thinking Super then remap.
Looking at Giulia's under the 20k price bracket. Petrol, is the Super a massive downstep from the Veloce? Ie should i wait for one of the later to show up?
Im thinking Super then remap.
Donkey44 said:
What did you do OP? I've just started a thread in Car Buying considering one of these or an XE.
I've put any decision on hold until Feb 2024 when I turn 55 and have a few more financial options...Has anyone seen the Car magazine you tube video released today featuring the Veloce?? Highly complimentary. Basically says that 7 years on from launch it remains the best sports saloon to drive and own.....
Had a Giulia QF, traded it in after about 2 months (if that) for a Giulia Veloce. No regrets. One was a needlessly fast car, the other was a useably fast car.
Only quibble - as mentioned before - is the battery. Keep it topped up. Mine was low and caused the car to throw a hissy fit and rendered it totally immobile at the entrance to a narrow street, blocking everybody in or out for an hour until it was hauled away on a recovery truck.
Great cars, you won't be disappointed.
Only quibble - as mentioned before - is the battery. Keep it topped up. Mine was low and caused the car to throw a hissy fit and rendered it totally immobile at the entrance to a narrow street, blocking everybody in or out for an hour until it was hauled away on a recovery truck.
Great cars, you won't be disappointed.
Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 22 August 09:05
I bought a 2020 Veloce Ti in April this year. Beautiful machine. Build quality difference between it and anything German is so small as to be imperceptible and the handling / steering set up is sublime. Some people bemoan the interior tech but as I use CarPlay I've never found that an issue. Expect a couple of Italian quirks - known battery issues in cold weather or if not driven and mine almost constantly has the 'low washer fluid' light on, even when full.
Easily the best looking car in its class and you still don't see too many on the road. My only wish would be for a better exhaust note out of the factory, but that can easily be resolved...
Easily the best looking car in its class and you still don't see too many on the road. My only wish would be for a better exhaust note out of the factory, but that can easily be resolved...
ShortShift811 said:
I bought a 2020 Veloce Ti in April this year. Beautiful machine. Build quality difference between it and anything German is so small as to be imperceptible and the handling / steering set up is sublime. Some people bemoan the interior tech but as I use CarPlay I've never found that an issue. Expect a couple of Italian quirks - known battery issues in cold weather or if not driven and mine almost constantly has the 'low washer fluid' light on, even when full.
Easily the best looking car in its class and you still don't see too many on the road. My only wish would be for a better exhaust note out of the factory, but that can easily be resolved...
How bad are these battery issues? Is it just a case that in the cold weather it can go flat if not used for a few days, or worse than that? Might be an issue for me as I spend a week working away from home and staying in a Travelodge where there is no capacity to charge a battery and the car is sometimes not driven for 4-5 days....Easily the best looking car in its class and you still don't see too many on the road. My only wish would be for a better exhaust note out of the factory, but that can easily be resolved...
Also, I note the significant price differential between Super and Veloce. I really don't need the performance of the latter and coming from a 318d, the humble petrol Super would be more than adequate (not sure I want another diesel at this stage...) Is the Super a decent enough car? I mean, you can find them online for the mid teens price wise, whereas most Veloces are towards the £25k mark still....
My battery went flat during lockdown, but the car was stood for weeks. normally they are start and work OK, but you loose features, like start/stop and heated rear window. I believe better replacement batteries help.
You get better seats, wider wheels, but most importantly Paddles as standard on the Veloce. they were options on the Super, so it will be hit and miss. probably best judged on individual cars as to what spec you like. some of the option packs were very very nice. once the Veloce came out and settled down, they were doing such good deals on them it was pointless buying a Super, so you won’t find many post 2017. Stuff like the Techno, must have hardly sold at all!
the earlier Super’s could be mapped to 280, but later ones had small mechanical differences, which meant they couldn’t be mapped. not sure when the change was, maybe 2018 ish.
You get better seats, wider wheels, but most importantly Paddles as standard on the Veloce. they were options on the Super, so it will be hit and miss. probably best judged on individual cars as to what spec you like. some of the option packs were very very nice. once the Veloce came out and settled down, they were doing such good deals on them it was pointless buying a Super, so you won’t find many post 2017. Stuff like the Techno, must have hardly sold at all!
the earlier Super’s could be mapped to 280, but later ones had small mechanical differences, which meant they couldn’t be mapped. not sure when the change was, maybe 2018 ish.
velocemitch said:
once the Veloce came out and settled down, they were doing such good deals on them it was pointless buying a Super, so you won’t find many post 2017. Stuff like the Techno, must have hardly sold at all!
the earlier Super’s could be mapped to 280, but later ones had small mechanical differences, which meant they couldn’t be mapped. not sure when the change was, maybe 2018 ish.
Ah, I assume these were lease deals? Unfortunately the difference on the second hand market is substantial. The Veloce does appear to be the sweet spot in the range in many ways, its a shame they appear to be "above budget" at the moment. But for me the humble Super would be fine. A modest 197 BHP as standard is more than enough on our traffic choked, speed camera infested roads so I wouldn't bother remapping it if I went the Super route...the earlier Super’s could be mapped to 280, but later ones had small mechanical differences, which meant they couldn’t be mapped. not sure when the change was, maybe 2018 ish.
Have to say that these cars remain absolutely stunning. I have become more and more fed up with my BMW of late, I think its the awful ride quality that is the killer, plus that rattly 4 cyl diesel engine which just sucks the joy out of motoring on anything other than a motorway cruise. Removing the run flats would probably help, but the understeer biased handling means you don't feel the benefits of RWD as much as you should either. I believe the Alfa is much more RWD feeling which is what I am looking for....
greenarrow said:
velocemitch said:
once the Veloce came out and settled down, they were doing such good deals on them it was pointless buying a Super, so you won’t find many post 2017. Stuff like the Techno, must have hardly sold at all!
the earlier Super’s could be mapped to 280, but later ones had small mechanical differences, which meant they couldn’t be mapped. not sure when the change was, maybe 2018 ish.
Ah, I assume these were lease deals? Unfortunately the difference on the second hand market is substantial. The Veloce does appear to be the sweet spot in the range in many ways, its a shame they appear to be "above budget" at the moment. But for me the humble Super would be fine. A modest 197 BHP as standard is more than enough on our traffic choked, speed camera infested roads so I wouldn't bother remapping it if I went the Super route...the earlier Super’s could be mapped to 280, but later ones had small mechanical differences, which meant they couldn’t be mapped. not sure when the change was, maybe 2018 ish.
Have to say that these cars remain absolutely stunning. I have become more and more fed up with my BMW of late, I think its the awful ride quality that is the killer, plus that rattly 4 cyl diesel engine which just sucks the joy out of motoring on anything other than a motorway cruise. Removing the run flats would probably help, but the understeer biased handling means you don't feel the benefits of RWD as much as you should either. I believe the Alfa is much more RWD feeling which is what I am looking for....
The seats were so good, that when changing to my Stelvio I only looked at ones with Sports seats.
Below is a link to the 2017 brochure
https://autocatalogarchive.com/wp-content/uploads/...
You may get lucky with a speced up Super…
Edited by r159 on Saturday 2nd September 07:45
Edited by r159 on Saturday 2nd September 07:58
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