lancia rallye 037 replica
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I am currently building a 037 stradale and a 037 corse (group b) replica
In the 90s i dealt in integrales on a large scale
In 2002 i built a stratos group 4 replica
I currently also own a RS500 group a race car
I run a nissan stagea rs4v (skyline estate) But still i desired more attention (must be an ugly bugger)
Anyway at great expense i have recently aquired a set of moulds taken from a geniune 037 Rallye stradale and all the group b alternative moulds
I then employed a couple of the top guys from the late TVR (development mould production foreman these are the guys who created the chimera from a block of crazy foam) and we set about modifying the moulds to fit a standard montecarlo Front was no problem all fits amazingly well and very simple conversion The rear was a different story
The cars are now pannelled up and the stradale has gone for paint once painted final moulds will be taken from convertd rear quarters
The full kits in stradale and corse will be available in the next couple of months to recoup some of the cost of my project www.rallye037replica.com (site is due for an update in the next few days)i have been busy sorting rear wheelbase and lowering kit these have now been produced and can be supplied as well as full bodykit
A geniune 037 tradale is going to set you back a minimum of 50k a group b corse will demand up to £150k (if anyone knows of a cheap genuine 037 please phone me as i would be a serious purchaser)
However i have 12 montecarlo cars available from 1-3k
I can supply a full bodykit for 3k
Drop a dedra turbo thema turbo fiat coupe turbo or alfa v6 24v in it
Neglect your wife and children for a couple of months and have a serious exotic replica for well under the cost of the neigbour second hand beemer GO ON DARE TO BE DIFFERENT my no on my website
In the 90s i dealt in integrales on a large scale
In 2002 i built a stratos group 4 replica
I currently also own a RS500 group a race car
I run a nissan stagea rs4v (skyline estate) But still i desired more attention (must be an ugly bugger)
Anyway at great expense i have recently aquired a set of moulds taken from a geniune 037 Rallye stradale and all the group b alternative moulds
I then employed a couple of the top guys from the late TVR (development mould production foreman these are the guys who created the chimera from a block of crazy foam) and we set about modifying the moulds to fit a standard montecarlo Front was no problem all fits amazingly well and very simple conversion The rear was a different story
The cars are now pannelled up and the stradale has gone for paint once painted final moulds will be taken from convertd rear quarters
The full kits in stradale and corse will be available in the next couple of months to recoup some of the cost of my project www.rallye037replica.com (site is due for an update in the next few days)i have been busy sorting rear wheelbase and lowering kit these have now been produced and can be supplied as well as full bodykit
A geniune 037 tradale is going to set you back a minimum of 50k a group b corse will demand up to £150k (if anyone knows of a cheap genuine 037 please phone me as i would be a serious purchaser)
However i have 12 montecarlo cars available from 1-3k
I can supply a full bodykit for 3k
Drop a dedra turbo thema turbo fiat coupe turbo or alfa v6 24v in it
Neglect your wife and children for a couple of months and have a serious exotic replica for well under the cost of the neigbour second hand beemer GO ON DARE TO BE DIFFERENT my no on my website
Recent pictures of project have now been posted on www.stratossupersite.com
nervous said:
dude, at least pretend that you want peoples opinions or were wondering whether you could get a child seat in it or something.
LOL
Okay, I've already seen the website, and while the idea is certainly tempting, why would anybody want a replica of a 037 by molesting a Monte Carlo is beyond me. Why not build a tubular chassis like the Hawk Stratos or like the original 037?
And all that money for some bodykit?
The original 037 is a molested montecarlo/scorpion tub (if you can tell me how to make a replica without one of these im all ears)
However you dont need to start with a mint tub so you could be saving a rare car from certain death (creating an awsome replica and saving the planet)
3k for a 18 piece bodykit thats taken from a 70k car in choice of stradale and group b made to very high quality by TVR/S top tradesmen (remind me how much is the cheapie mr2/mx5 kit
However you dont need to start with a mint tub so you could be saving a rare car from certain death (creating an awsome replica and saving the planet)
3k for a 18 piece bodykit thats taken from a 70k car in choice of stradale and group b made to very high quality by TVR/S top tradesmen (remind me how much is the cheapie mr2/mx5 kit
syndicate said:
The original 037 is a molested montecarlo/scorpion tub (if you can tell me how to make a replica without one of these im all ears)
However you dont need to start with a mint tub so you could be saving a rare car from certain death (creating an awsome replica and saving the planet)
However you dont need to start with a mint tub so you could be saving a rare car from certain death (creating an awsome replica and saving the planet)
You make a good point there. But like JDC said, what would stop me starting the project is the knowledge that the rollcage/frame and the subframes and suspension will not be up to spec. And how about the engine, did the 037 start with a MC block (same oilchannels, cooling, heads,etc..)?
lETS REMEMBER THIS IS A REPLICA The car i am building has castor camber rose jointed adj coilover uprated rear arms so should handle very well (a standard good monte handles amazingly for a 30yr old car The engine in the car is a motorsport prepared low comp balanced 2ltr twincam ported cammed runnig injection on programable zytec management turboed massive intercooler in back backed up by charge cooler up front it came out of a stratos rep that the owner had spent 6k on engine i have spoke to guy it is reputed to run 3 bar boost and produce 345bhp considering a genuine 037 produced 205bhp and the works evo 2 340bhp in it final year my rep should be quite quick enough I have drove the car only once before start of project it did feel very quick i I do know what quick is (look a my list of personal vehicle)
Please don't think I'm trying to be rude here, but I have to agree with the previous poster's remark about molesting a Monte. Aside from the driver cabin, a Monte has nothing in common with an 037 - why try and make it into a car that's it's not?
Surely, this is akin to the guys who scrap Thema 8.32s and put the engine in the Monte... It ain't a Ferrari! A Ferrari is on a larger scale and it's much more complex - why make a Monte something it's not?
Personally, I think that a standard Monte can look the business with the right wheels and one or two (authentic parts) aesthetic mods (i.e. twin lamps).
How would you feel if you were refuelling at a garage with the engine lid up and a real 037 pulled in to reveal the space-frame and longitudinal engine, not to mention the blower and 16-valves? If you had an original Monte, at least you could hold your head up and discuss the car for what it is...
I'm off to don some nomex underwear after writing this, but my moral is to respect a Monte for what it is; give it the power, brakes and headlights it deserved and enjoy it! If you get promoted at work, buy an 037...
Surely, this is akin to the guys who scrap Thema 8.32s and put the engine in the Monte... It ain't a Ferrari! A Ferrari is on a larger scale and it's much more complex - why make a Monte something it's not?
Personally, I think that a standard Monte can look the business with the right wheels and one or two (authentic parts) aesthetic mods (i.e. twin lamps).
How would you feel if you were refuelling at a garage with the engine lid up and a real 037 pulled in to reveal the space-frame and longitudinal engine, not to mention the blower and 16-valves? If you had an original Monte, at least you could hold your head up and discuss the car for what it is...
I'm off to don some nomex underwear after writing this, but my moral is to respect a Monte for what it is; give it the power, brakes and headlights it deserved and enjoy it! If you get promoted at work, buy an 037...
Not that the cars really bear any comparison, but there could be a point here:
The Group 5 Montecarlo which won its class at Le Mans twice and came 2nd overall retained the original transverse Montecarlo engine layout and it even had McPherson struts, as opposed to the full double-wishbone adopted by the 037.
What's the point in writing the above I hear you ask? It proves that much performance can be extracted from the standard Pininfarina design, which contributes gravitas to the concept of tuning the engine and brakes, but respecting the car for what it is - i.e. a Montecarlo with McP struts and transverse engine.
Because this discussion is via the Internet, i.e. one-dimensional, it concerns me that my attitude could come across as confrontational, which - if we were discussing this over a pint - would not be the case, more an honest debate between Lancisti. However, with this in mind, I must ask the question:
How is the 037 kit any different to the kits people fitted to Sierras in the eighties to make a standard car look like a Cosworth?
How is it any different to the kits people fit to make a 318i look like an M3?
When you consider how radically different the 037 and standard Monte are, you could almost draw a comparison between the guy with the F40-bodied TR7 or MR2...
I could go on and on with analogies such as the above, but - suffice to say - when these cars crop up on the message-board here, they tend to get laughed out of court...
No offense intended - what matters is that you're enjoying a Lancia as opposed to a soul-less, boring modern car...
BTW - If you sold all your other metal you could afford a real 037 :smile:
The Group 5 Montecarlo which won its class at Le Mans twice and came 2nd overall retained the original transverse Montecarlo engine layout and it even had McPherson struts, as opposed to the full double-wishbone adopted by the 037.
What's the point in writing the above I hear you ask? It proves that much performance can be extracted from the standard Pininfarina design, which contributes gravitas to the concept of tuning the engine and brakes, but respecting the car for what it is - i.e. a Montecarlo with McP struts and transverse engine.
Because this discussion is via the Internet, i.e. one-dimensional, it concerns me that my attitude could come across as confrontational, which - if we were discussing this over a pint - would not be the case, more an honest debate between Lancisti. However, with this in mind, I must ask the question:
How is the 037 kit any different to the kits people fitted to Sierras in the eighties to make a standard car look like a Cosworth?
How is it any different to the kits people fit to make a 318i look like an M3?
When you consider how radically different the 037 and standard Monte are, you could almost draw a comparison between the guy with the F40-bodied TR7 or MR2...
I could go on and on with analogies such as the above, but - suffice to say - when these cars crop up on the message-board here, they tend to get laughed out of court...
No offense intended - what matters is that you're enjoying a Lancia as opposed to a soul-less, boring modern car...
BTW - If you sold all your other metal you could afford a real 037 :smile:
Well done Syndicate, great to hear about someone having the initiative and courage to produce such an interesting project with such a positive attitude after all that has happened at TVR.
Especially taking a sadly under appreciated car and making it into a credible replica of one of the most desirable of all group B cars.
Even if you could afford a real 037 they are so rare that actually finding one (especially a road going Stradale) could take a long, long time and at least a replica can be enjoyed to the full without the fear of damage to a very rare car that would be extremely complex & costly to replace.
If an old Montecarlo has been sat wasting away as it is uneconomic to repair then why not convert it into a very good replica of an 037 that will be appreciated and valued as opposed to being scrapped or broken?
Give me positive action over negative comment anyday... I look forward to seeing the car at Stoneleigh - Best of luck!
Especially taking a sadly under appreciated car and making it into a credible replica of one of the most desirable of all group B cars.
Even if you could afford a real 037 they are so rare that actually finding one (especially a road going Stradale) could take a long, long time and at least a replica can be enjoyed to the full without the fear of damage to a very rare car that would be extremely complex & costly to replace.
If an old Montecarlo has been sat wasting away as it is uneconomic to repair then why not convert it into a very good replica of an 037 that will be appreciated and valued as opposed to being scrapped or broken?
Give me positive action over negative comment anyday... I look forward to seeing the car at Stoneleigh - Best of luck!
Well the replica idea gets my vote! Chuck a full cage in it and a Fiat 20v turbo motor in the back, full Martini livery and it's happy days for Hillclimb and fast road fun, which (IMO) is going to give me more smiles per mile than an original 037 which I would be too scared to drive "properly" for fear or bending it. After all, most prople aren't even going to know what a 037 is, never mind spot that it's a replica.
KTiM said:
Well the replica idea gets my vote! Chuck a full cage in it and a Fiat 20v turbo motor in the back, full Martini livery and it's happy days for Hillclimb and fast road fun, which (IMO) is going to give me more smiles per mile than an original 037 which I would be too scared to drive "properly" for fear or bending it. After all, most prople aren't even going to know what a 037 is, never mind spot that it's a replica.
Most people won't know, but the kind of people that frequent Goodwood open days certainly know: I witnessed some very cruel remarks about a couple of wannabe-037s in the paddock on one occasion...
BTW - Have you looked into fitting a Fiat 20v Turbo engine? Unless you have a very well appointed garage, not to mention the necessary skills, the conversion could easily top £20K in bills, and that's without mentioning the brakes, where you could easily spend another £5K, or the suspension which will cost another £3K or so... By the time you add it all up, you'll be getting near the price of a higher mileage 037 Stradale in investment terms...
I went over the Thema Turbo-converted Monte that was converted by Barry Waterhouse. Bear in mind that the Thema engine was fitted as it's from the "same family" of 4-pot Lancia lumps as the Monte's original. The bill came to £15K... I dread to think what it would cost to professionally install a larger lump such as a 20v Turbo... The Thema had a very odd gearchange btw - getting the linkages right in any mid-engined car is a feat of engineering and a 20v won't be easy in this regard, although I guess you could look into electronic systems.
This link goes to a factory prototype Turbo car: http://wspr-racing.com/lancia/037mont
If you put in the time to find the parts, you could recreate a car such as the above one - authentic in all detail aside from paperwork. Because of its authenticity, it would have a good deal more integrity than a 037-bodied Monte...
The beefcake appearance of an 037 is to tell you it has beefcake running gear; to have the appearance, but without the engineering is a sham IMHO. The 037 bodywork goes hand-in-hand with the spaceframe layout and double-wishbone arrangement; to put it on a standard Monte is vulgar IMHO - a sheep in wolf's clothing...
Not that there's anything wrong with the standard Monte's arrangement, it's just that it's not an 037...
I wonder what kind of reception they'd give you in the Porsche forum here if you showed them a Carrera converted to look like a Turbo model... Do you think they'd applaud it?
Scroll down link to see an 037 which sold for 50,000 Euros: http://wspr-racing.com/lancia/lancia.
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