Pay bonanza for council bosses

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SmoothRB

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Sunday 7th March 2010
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We need a revolution! 13 years of Nu-Labour and all we have is massive debt and bloated council elites paying themselves renaissance fortunes even as they cut services.

Who would have thought that a career in a local council was a path to riches?

It is fking INSANE!

This is the way 3rd world countries operate; a job as an offical being a path to fk everyone else over and enrich yourself.

From The Sunday Times March 7, 2010



Pay bonanza for council bosses



Colin Hilton, head of Liverpool council, was criticised for its fibreglass penguins

Robert Watts and Georgia Warren

COUNCIL bosses have goldplated themselves against the recession with more than 2,000 of them earning above £100,000 last year.



As local authorities plead poverty and prepare to axe up to 180,000 workers, there has been a fivefold rise in the number of senior staff receiving six-figure packages since 2004.

The highest earner last year was an official in Cornwall who received at least £400,000, including bonuses and a payoff. The sum is more than twice the prime minister’s salary.

In some cases, councils with a poor financial track record have rewarded managers with the most generous pay.

Liverpool, rated England’s worst local authority by an official spending watchdog in 2008, paid in excess of £100,000 to 31 officials last year; Colin Hilton, its chief executive, received more than £210,000. In 2004 only seven staff received six-figure sums.

An analysis of the accounts of 433 councils has revealed that 2,056 officials received at least £100,000 in salary, bonuses, severance payments and other benefits in 2008-9 — up from 391 in 2003-4.

A total of 86 local government workers earned more than £200,000 in 2008-9, compared with just one employee five years earlier.

“There is no justification for a fivefold increase in town hall managers with six-figure packages,” said Caroline Spelman, the shadow communities and local government secretary. “Under Labour ... expensive administrators have proliferated at taxpayers’ expense.”

The Sunday Times examined the accounts after it emerged last month that councils have sought to keep secret the salaries of senior staff. They claimed that officials’ families might be threatened or their children bullied if the identities of those earning more than £50,000 were revealed. They will now have to disclose only those earning above £150,000.

Yesterday it emerged that David Cameron, the Conservative leader, wants all council staff earning more than £58,500 — the entrance pay standard for senior civil servants — to be named with their pay and perks if the Tories get into office.

A recent BBC survey indicated that councils in England may sack up to 10% of their employees (180,000 posts) as part of an efficiency drive over the next three to five years.

Bosses, however, seem to be assured of handsome rewards — even if they get laid off.

The executive in Cornwall, paid more than £400,000 last year, including a bonus and payoff, was one of six senior officials in the county to receive lucrative pay-offs last year. This weekend the unitary authority refused to identify the highest-paid official, but the award followed the merger of six smaller councils.

The largest of these, Liberal Democrat-controlled Cornwall county council, was run by Sheila Healy. Reportedly on a salary of £130,000-£160,000, she took redundancy last year.

Healy, 55, who lives in a 19th-century farmhouse worth £500,000, immediately walked into a new role at a council in Shropshire. She was unavailable for comment last night.

Cornwall county council paid 16 officials more than £100,000 last year, compared with one person in 2004. A spokeswoman said the higher pay factored in severance packages because of the merger.

Hilton, 54, was one of 31 Liverpool officials who received six-figure sums — 12 months after the Audit Commission named the council the worst financially managed in England. Last year the Lib Dem-controlled council had a £62m budget shortfall and was forced to make cuts, including closing two care homes and play centres. Council tax rose by 4.8%.

Liverpool also attracted criticism for spending £100,000 on 200 lifesize fibreglass penguins as part of a public art project.

The council, whose Audit Commission rating improved in 2009, said the increase in staff earning more than £100,000 was a result of inflation-linked pay. A spokesman said: “These are exceptionally demanding, highly skilled leadership roles.”

Tory-led Kent county council paid 41 staff six-figure sums last year, more than any other local authority and up from nine in 2003-4. They include Peter Gilroy, its outgoing chief executive; he will receive a £200,000 payoff on top of his £220,000 annual package.

Kent is the biggest local authority, with a £2.4 billion budget and 40,000 staff, although it plans to cut the equivalent of 463 posts by 2013. A spokesman said the jump in the number of executives earning more than £100,000 followed pension contributions being included after 2007.

At Islington council in north London, 23 staff earned more than £100,000 last year, including John Foster, chief executive, who was paid £210,000. Foster joined from Wakefield council where he received £540,000 in his final year, including a substantial payoff.

Last year the council, which is controlled by the Lib Dems, witnessed the death of its award-winning “living wall”, a £100,000 horticultural display embedded into a 30ft structure.

John Denham, the communities and local government secretary, said: “It is for councils to decide what they pay their staff, many of whom are excellent and have given a lifetime of public service. But we are seeing that this has gone too far in some cases.”

Additional reporting: Robin Henry, Charlotte Hunt-Grubbe


Edited by SmoothRB on Sunday 7th March 01:41

deadslow

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Sunday 7th March 2010
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SmoothRB said:
Tory-led Kent county council paid 41 staff six-figure sums last year, more than any other local authority and up from nine in 2003-4. They include Peter Gilroy, its outgoing chief executive; he will receive a £200,000 payoff on top of his £220,000 annual package.
Brilliant. Vote Tory.

SmoothRB

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Sunday 7th March 2010
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deadslow said:
SmoothRB said:
Tory-led Kent county council paid 41 staff six-figure sums last year, more than any other local authority and up from nine in 2003-4. They include Peter Gilroy, its outgoing chief executive; he will receive a £200,000 payoff on top of his £220,000 annual package.
Brilliant. Vote Tory.
I don't think that is the point.

Labour has enabled and encouraged this bloating and growth of the public sector and the resultant Aparatchiks in charge.

It is a system failure rather than being greedy council workers.

There will always be greedy people. It is up to the system to curb them.

deadslow

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Sunday 7th March 2010
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SmoothRB said:
deadslow said:
SmoothRB said:
Tory-led Kent county council paid 41 staff six-figure sums last year, more than any other local authority and up from nine in 2003-4. They include Peter Gilroy, its outgoing chief executive; he will receive a £200,000 payoff on top of his £220,000 annual package.
Brilliant. Vote Tory.
I don't think that is the point.

Labour has enabled and encouraged this bloating and growth of the public sector and the resultant Aparatchiks in charge.

It is a system failure rather than being greedy council workers.

There will always be greedy people. It is up to the system to curb them.
OK. Vote Tory then, and give this guy his £200k if you're that dumb.

tinman0

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Sunday 7th March 2010
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deadslow said:
SmoothRB said:
deadslow said:
SmoothRB said:
Tory-led Kent county council paid 41 staff six-figure sums last year, more than any other local authority and up from nine in 2003-4. They include Peter Gilroy, its outgoing chief executive; he will receive a £200,000 payoff on top of his £220,000 annual package.
Brilliant. Vote Tory.
I don't think that is the point.

Labour has enabled and encouraged this bloating and growth of the public sector and the resultant Aparatchiks in charge.

It is a system failure rather than being greedy council workers.

There will always be greedy people. It is up to the system to curb them.
OK. Vote Tory then, and give this guy his £200k if you're that dumb.
What, somehow Labour councils are much better?

deadslow

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Sunday 7th March 2010
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tinman0 said:
deadslow said:
SmoothRB said:
deadslow said:
SmoothRB said:
Tory-led Kent county council paid 41 staff six-figure sums last year, more than any other local authority and up from nine in 2003-4. They include Peter Gilroy, its outgoing chief executive; he will receive a £200,000 payoff on top of his £220,000 annual package.
Brilliant. Vote Tory.
I don't think that is the point.

Labour has enabled and encouraged this bloating and growth of the public sector and the resultant Aparatchiks in charge.

It is a system failure rather than being greedy council workers.

There will always be greedy people. It is up to the system to curb them.
OK. Vote Tory then, and give this guy his £200k if you're that dumb.
What, somehow Labour councils are much better?
Get some perspective. A waste of money is a waste of money.

randlemarcus

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Sunday 7th March 2010
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deadslow said:
Get some perspective. A waste of money is a waste of money.
I don't see Tinman suggesting that its solely Labor pissing the money up the wall. Unlike yourself.

I'd quite agree that its slightly wrong for the leader of a pisspot local Council to be paid more than the PM, however appallingly bad he is.

tinman0

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Sunday 7th March 2010
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deadslow said:
Get some perspective. A waste of money is a waste of money.
I agree. But in this case it's a rock and a hard place.

The spending won't be any less under a Labour council, and you have to be joking about a Liberal council! Our Liberal council actually prides itself on the highest council tax in the country. When they won again a couple of years, the Lib leader was overheard saying "now we can really increase council tax". I mean, if £1800 wasn't already enough!

The question is how Kent's council tax rates against the rest of the country.

deadslow

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Sunday 7th March 2010
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randlemarcus said:
deadslow said:
Get some perspective. A waste of money is a waste of money.
I don't see Tinman suggesting that its solely Labor pissing the money up the wall. Unlike yourself.

I'd quite agree that its slightly wrong for the leader of a pisspot local Council to be paid more than the PM, however appallingly bad he is.
As I said, 'A waste of money is a waste of money', irrespective of political party. Don't get your point.

randlemarcus

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Sunday 7th March 2010
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deadslow said:
randlemarcus said:
deadslow said:
Get some perspective. A waste of money is a waste of money.
I don't see Tinman suggesting that its solely Labor pissing the money up the wall. Unlike yourself.

I'd quite agree that its slightly wrong for the leader of a pisspot local Council to be paid more than the PM, however appallingly bad he is.
As I said, 'A waste of money is a waste of money', irrespective of political party. Don't get your point.
My mistake then. I'd taken your last pair of comments about Vote Tory to be a snipe. If it wasn't I apologise for thinking you might be a Labour apparatchik.

deadslow

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Sunday 7th March 2010
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randlemarcus said:
deadslow said:
randlemarcus said:
deadslow said:
Get some perspective. A waste of money is a waste of money.
I don't see Tinman suggesting that its solely Labor pissing the money up the wall. Unlike yourself.

I'd quite agree that its slightly wrong for the leader of a pisspot local Council to be paid more than the PM, however appallingly bad he is.
As I said, 'A waste of money is a waste of money', irrespective of political party. Don't get your point.
My mistake then. I'd taken your last pair of comments about Vote Tory to be a snipe. If it wasn't I apologise for thinking you might be a Labour apparatchik.
No Probs, though its a pity you attack (supposed) Labour supporters, before terrible governance.

randlemarcus

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Sunday 7th March 2010
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deadslow said:
No Probs, though its a pity you attack (supposed) Labour supporters, before terrible governance.
Having worked in Local Government over the last decade, on and off, though from a private sector PoV, I'd question the whole rotten house of cards, rather than focussing on political allegiances. I strongly suspect it will take more than political will to change anything though, as there are at least two factors in play here.

Firstly, becoming a Council Chief Exec probably takes both skill and cojones, as its a withdrawable role, thus the inflated salaries and golden parachutes.
Secondly, we seem to have embedded the non-jobs into legislation, so we cant simply cut the public sector in general to the bone, and get away with it( five-a-day notwithstanding).

Point taken though. Please can we have a "none of this rabble" option? wink

deadslow

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Sunday 7th March 2010
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randlemarcus said:
Please can we have a "none of this rabble" option? wink
yeshehe

SmoothRB

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tinman0 said:
deadslow said:
The question is how Kent's council tax rates against the rest of the country.
Not just that but value for money.

Local councils are by definition a mediocrity. Grey, boring, they do boring stuff like mend roads, paint signs, empty bins. They don't need to pay someone 400k to do that. It is just WRONG.

They should not be spending 100k on plastic pengiuns (or whatever) just instead get on with providing boring local services...keep it grey, boring, frugal. Don't pay themselves too little or too much. You want mega-bucks go into banking.

SmoothRB

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Sunday 7th March 2010
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randlemarcus said:
deadslow said:
Firstly, becoming a Council Chief Exec probably takes both skill and cojones, as its a withdrawable role, thus the inflated salaries and golden parachutes.
Any job in the private sector is withdrawable.

Ambition and political cloak and danger does not 'deserve' Jack.

Maybe we just need grey, boring beurocrats doing these sort of jobs instead of the rampantly ambitious?

Councils empty the bins not cure cancer.

Jasandjules

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Sunday 7th March 2010
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Just typical of the state of mind of councils. It isn't their money they are p***ng up the wall.

johnfm

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Sunday 7th March 2010
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Jasandjules said:
Just typical of the state of mind of councils. It isn't their money they are p***ng up the wall.
Yes, but they THINK it is.

Same with the govt. They really think that once they collect the revenues form taxation, rates etc that it is THEIR money. It is laughable.

I fear that time has moved on too far for a repeat of the French solution to this type of oversight. Though I do think that at same stage an unhinged individual will 'go postal' and kill a couple of hapless MPs.



turbobloke

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Sunday 7th March 2010
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johnfm said:
Jasandjules said:
Just typical of the state of mind of councils. It isn't their money they are p***ng up the wall.
Yes, but they THINK it is.
They sure do. Serving the public has been turned around neatly so now the public exists to serve the council, and must obey diktats from of an out-of-touch ideological shinypants zealot at a council desk, and to fund it at all at their whim on pain of imprisonment.

johnfm said:
Same with the govt. They really think that once they collect the revenues form taxation, rates etc that it is THEIR money. It is laughable.
yes

Mclovin

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Sunday 7th March 2010
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were they getting paid this under the last tory government for the same work....no...

if someone offers you a wod of cash you take it, greed is human nature....

labour, noone else has enlarged the public sector so much so that it has put at risk the future of this country....

labour has allowed this to happen all over....its why taxes have more than doubled and yet theres no significant change in services....

tangent police

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Sunday 7th March 2010
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Nice to see Cornwall up there kicking ass at the top of the figures.

They possibly overlooked their £200+ Million hole they have to fill.

We have the good old regional development agency and EU funding throwing money into "approved" projects, so that boosts our utterly third world, tourist client and dole driven economy down here.

For a county of second homes and hillbillies living a simple life, we have one fkload of governance down here.

The scouser on £400K is utterly insane. Really, Why?