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Venting......wait all morning to get tickets to the NBA game at the O2 in Jan. Log in early, well before box office opens, use the virtual waiting room. Get access finally and discover .....sold out. 7 mins after going on sale.
Look on ticket sites......all the tickets are there at 4+ x face value.......joke.
Look on ticket sites......all the tickets are there at 4+ x face value.......joke.
Andehh said:
I don't get why it is difficult to stamp out, name and birthday on ticket with holographic etc markings and make people bring their drivers license etc to verify?
Selling tickets on at face value to mates is a legitimate thing to do and is one of the reasons for reluctance to stamp it out. The problem is, with the arrival of the internet, it is no longer people with spare tickets passing them on, it is touts buying out the whole venue and then punting them all on reseller sites. The reseller sites argue that the inflated prices get paid, therefore there is a legitimate market. I am not to convinced, it is an artificially inflated market caused by the touts creating a shortage. It might be time for concert promoters to step up and implement stuff like you are saying.....
Andehh said:
I don't get why it is difficult to stamp out, name and birthday on ticket with holographic etc markings and make people bring their drivers license etc to verify?
It's all extra work, the powers that be don't care and cannot be arsed. All that is important is that they sell out. A few genuine fans missing out is low on their overall priorities.Andehh said:
I don't get why it is difficult to stamp out, name and birthday on ticket with holographic etc markings and make people bring their drivers license etc to verify?
because seatwave, via go go etc are owned by the ticket companies.ticketmaster have 1000 tickets for your basketball game for sale at say £30 a ticket, they give themselves (seatwave) half the tickets before the tickets actually go on sale knowing full well they will shift them for far more than the £30 original price.
they have no interest in stopping this , with your old school touts companies could send tickets out later and later or even week before show say you have to pick tickets up at venue with the credit card that paid for them, but now the major ticket companies are now also the touts nothing will change.
I've found the best way to get tickets is too go old school and phone up.
I got tickets for the small biffy clyro club show in london, phoned ticket company 10 mins early and they wouldn't sell any, booted up the computer/phone with no luck so phoned up again and just purchased a pair of tickets.
I got tickets for the small biffy clyro club show in london, phoned ticket company 10 mins early and they wouldn't sell any, booted up the computer/phone with no luck so phoned up again and just purchased a pair of tickets.
Same with many things. I have a season pass (three games) for the NFL this year and we were forced to buy them in January or risk not getting them because £265 (incl £10 booking fee) is a lot easier to stomach than either not going (if you don't get a player return) or paying £530 a month or so before the first game to a tout.
It would be very hard to stamp out as others have said because it stops legitimate ticket purchasers selling them on if they can no-longer go.
It would be very hard to stamp out as others have said because it stops legitimate ticket purchasers selling them on if they can no-longer go.
PanzerCommander said:
It would be very hard to stamp out as others have said because it stops legitimate ticket purchasers selling them on if they can no-longer go.
Is it though? It's illegal to re-sell football tickets, that bit of legislation pretty much stopped the widespread touting overnight. It still goes on obviously, but without being able to openly market them on the internet it's massively reduced the market. Why not just extend it to concert tickets?I know lots of people with football season tickets and they regularly offload their tickets when they can't attend. It just means instead of advertising them at 4 times the value on Ebay they just let mates or mates of mates have them for face value. The same would just happen with concert tickets.
It would be very easy to stamp out if it was illegal to sell at above face value. However, capitalism doesn't work like that, with the exception of football tickets which can't be resold due to hooliganism concerns.
Ticketmaster don't directly pass tickets to their resale unit, but they make massive fees on the resale so have no incentive to stop it, whilst most big artists can sell out enough venues to line their pockets and see no need to play extra dates.
Ticketmaster don't directly pass tickets to their resale unit, but they make massive fees on the resale so have no incentive to stop it, whilst most big artists can sell out enough venues to line their pockets and see no need to play extra dates.
Tom_C76 said:
It would be very easy to stamp out if it was illegal to sell at above face value. However, capitalism doesn't work like that, with the exception of football tickets which can't be resold due to hooliganism concerns.
Ticketmaster don't directly pass tickets to their resale unit, but they make massive fees on the resale so have no incentive to stop it, whilst most big artists can sell out enough venues to line their pockets and see no need to play extra dates.
The links between ticketmaster and seatwave are far to cosy, you buy a seated ticket for a concert try and sell it on ebay with a pic showing the seat number/block and they will cancel under there terms and regs, but fine for them to get a nice backhander from seatwave and do the same.Ticketmaster don't directly pass tickets to their resale unit, but they make massive fees on the resale so have no incentive to stop it, whilst most big artists can sell out enough venues to line their pockets and see no need to play extra dates.
Shaoxter said:
I've been a small time ticket tout for these NBA games over the past few years, but this year demand seems to be much higher (or supply lower?) than previously.
It's only two crappy teams this year anyway though
Up to mid 2000's i was involved with a nbl div 1 team , i'm shocked there's such a call for basketball in this country going by the trouble we had getting/keeping spectators and sponsors.It's only two crappy teams this year anyway though
Shaoxter said:
I've been a small time ticket tout for these NBA games over the past few years, but this year demand seems to be much higher (or supply lower?) than previously.
It's only two crappy teams this year anyway though
Up to mid 2000's i was involved with a nbl div 1 team , i'm shocked there's such a call for basketball in this country going by the trouble we had getting/keeping spectators and sponsors.It's only two crappy teams this year anyway though
I think its very unfair on touts to blame them for this.
This is an organised rip off of the punters by the ticket companies as explained above by a number of posters. The venues and artists often get a cut of the inflated tickets and as such allow it to continue. There was a program on BBC a couple of years ago which covered it all, its a shocking practice.
This is an organised rip off of the punters by the ticket companies as explained above by a number of posters. The venues and artists often get a cut of the inflated tickets and as such allow it to continue. There was a program on BBC a couple of years ago which covered it all, its a shocking practice.
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