RE: Next Subaru WRX 'Goes It Alone'

RE: Next Subaru WRX 'Goes It Alone'

Monday 18th July 2011

Next Subaru WRX 'Goes It Alone'

New fast Subaru, due in 2014, will separate from Impreza



The next generation WRX will distance itself still further from the regular Impreza when it appears in 2014, according to reports on the web. And it might even use the 'Toyobaru' Subaru-Toyota joint-venture coupe as its basis.

In the UK, the WRX STI has already dropped the Impreza label, but this is little more than an omission of a badge - the next car will be a very different matter: "Apart from a few nuts and bolts, every part on the WRX will be unique. Even the engine and body," a source told US website Motor Trend. "Obviously the WRX's platform will be inherited from the new Impreza, but it will be radically modified and significantly shortened."

That's interesting in itself, but what's really fascinating is that the separation of the two models could signal a return to the motorsports arena. The base Impreza will no longer be constrained by the need to be over-engineered for motorsports purposes (which has historically driven up costs), while the WRX focuses on competition.

Motor Trend's source again: "The first thing you must understand about our all-new WRX is that we have developed it from the ground up to win in motorsports events. That's why we have focused so heavily on weight issues, not to mention a shorter wheelbase that permits faster, more precise turn-in. Marry that to our proven AWD system, and we think we have a winner."

But while that's fascinating, what's really, really, really intriguing is that the next WRX and STI models might just be part of the 'Toyobaru' coupe collaboration with Toyota. "If the truth be known," says Motor Trend's enigmatic insider, "we were able to focus so deeply on the motorsports element with the new WRX because we developed a sister car with the Toyota FT-86. Bosses gave us permission to go all out because that car exists."

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dave stew

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1,502 posts

168 months

Monday 18th July 2011
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Looks like the return of the homologation special - not some one off four wheel drive Fiesta you can't buy in the showroom! I'll be interested to see how this develops.

S18DMW

18,818 posts

168 months

Monday 18th July 2011
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At least it won't have to look like the Impreza either....

EDLT

15,421 posts

207 months

Monday 18th July 2011
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Something like this then, only uglier obviously?

MattDell

3,242 posts

156 months

Monday 18th July 2011
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S18DMW said:
At least it won't have to look like the Impreza either....
woohoo

davemac250

4,499 posts

206 months

Monday 18th July 2011
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If there was ever a company that needed something like this it is Subaru.

The latest offereings have lost their way in both styling and positioning in the market.

They seem to have been caught out in seeing if they are going to be performance chasing or Golf chasing and really doing neither to well.

Hopefully this will let them do both.

The local dealer here has had the same stock sat outside for months in the hatchback - his older saloon stock rotates regularly.

Be interested to see this developing.

Perhaps a return to the P1 days?


Life Saab Itch

37,068 posts

189 months

Monday 18th July 2011
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davemac250 said:
Perhaps a return to the P1 days?
Sounds like it to me.

Short wheelbase etc...

Dagnut

3,515 posts

194 months

Monday 18th July 2011
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this combined with STI running gear can't be a bad thing..



Twincam16

27,646 posts

259 months

Monday 18th July 2011
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Hints of Celica GT-Four, perhaps?

GravelBen

15,698 posts

231 months

Monday 18th July 2011
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dave stew said:
Looks like the return of the homologation special - not some one off four wheel drive Fiesta you can't buy in the showroom! I'll be interested to see how this develops.
They're still making homologation Imprezas, called a Spec-C these days smile.

mrmr96

13,736 posts

205 months

Monday 18th July 2011
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Dagnut said:
this combined with STI running gear can't be a bad thing..


Look like a 370Z has fked an RX8.

bakerstreet

4,766 posts

166 months

Monday 18th July 2011
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doogz said:
1600 turbo perhaps?
Thats what I am expecting. Its an obvious path to tie in with the WRC regs.

Won't be ProDrive running the new WRX though frown

Dagnut

3,515 posts

194 months

Monday 18th July 2011
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mrmr96 said:
Look like a 370Z has fked an RX8.
better than the current offerings..

PaulFontaine

629 posts

155 months

Monday 18th July 2011
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I think it'll be a good thing the first generation WRX's looked hideous. It will be interesting to see what they do I think they will be rewarded by a lot more sales if they give the WRX looks to match it's go

ScoobieWRX

4,863 posts

227 months

Monday 18th July 2011
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If only Subaru twisted Prodrive's arms to let them produce the P2. Never mind!!

However, a Celica look alike with Subaru underpinnings sounds just like what the doctor ordered. Put me down for one, no make it two, the missus will want one!!

golders

141 posts

275 months

Monday 18th July 2011
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Dagnut said:
better than the current offerings..
Yep. The Impreza of recent years is not a looker:

http://www.subaruimprezacars.com/wp-content/upload...

stevieb

5,252 posts

268 months

Monday 18th July 2011
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bakerstreet said:
Won't be ProDrive running the new WRX though frown
Why not. I know they have the Mini, but Prodrive would be the ones to assist with the development of the car to meet WRC regs etc.

soad

32,914 posts

177 months

Monday 18th July 2011
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Dagnut said:
mrmr96 said:
Look like a 370Z has fked an RX8.
better than the current offerings..
Looks like a quite decent effort, if a little blandish

MattDell

3,242 posts

156 months

Monday 18th July 2011
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stevieb said:
Why not. I know they have the Mini, but Prodrive would be the ones to assist with the development of the car to meet WRC regs etc.
Well first, I'm not sure Prodrive has the resources to take on two WRC teams.

But more importantly, the SWRT wasn't really a Subaru team at all. It was a Prodrive rally team using Subaru cars as the shell. The current Mini team is basically Prodrive using Mini as the base instead of a Subaru. So, it... just doesn't make sense... having Prodrive putting forward two different shells to compete against each other.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but that is the impression I was under back when SWRT was around (oh, the glory days!).

That, and I'm not sure Subaru even has the desire to get back in WRC.

-Matt

stevieb

5,252 posts

268 months

Monday 18th July 2011
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MattDell said:
stevieb said:
Why not. I know they have the Mini, but Prodrive would be the ones to assist with the development of the car to meet WRC regs etc.
Well first, I'm not sure Prodrive has the resources to take on two WRC teams.

But more importantly, the SWRT wasn't really a Subaru team at all. It was a Prodrive rally team using Subaru cars as the shell. The current Mini team is basically Prodrive using Mini as the base instead of a Subaru. So, it... just doesn't make sense... having Prodrive putting forward two different shells to compete against each other.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but that is the impression I was under back when SWRT was around (oh, the glory days!).

That, and I'm not sure Subaru even has the desire to get back in WRC.

-Matt
I thought Prodrive were still preping the Group N Imprezas for the WRC.

I doubt resource is an issue with Prodrive as they wanted to go into F1.

Understand your points though.


Baryonyx

18,002 posts

160 months

Monday 18th July 2011
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Twincam16 said:
Hints of Celica GT-Four, perhaps?
That was a car that should have had many, many iterations. Basically take that idea that has been so successful with the likes of the Sierra Cosworth 4X4, the Audi Quattro, the Legacy Turbo, the Escort Cosworth etc etc and run with it. The GT4, being a turbo powered 4WD beauty should have been updated every few years. Toyota missed the chance to compete with the Lancer Evolution and the Impreza there.

Still, I hope this new car is good. Subaru really need to get back in touch with what made the older cars so incredible.