Chinese 1st Carrier heads out to sea
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A training ship... but still a carrier nonetheless which displaces 60,000 tonnes and can carry over 20 aircraft.
There are rumours of plans for 5 or more which will probably be an improved design based on the ex-varyag
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100014240531119039...
There are rumours of plans for 5 or more which will probably be an improved design based on the ex-varyag
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100014240531119039...
China hasn't really invested in it's navy at all until the last 15 years or so, being content that it's massive land forces were enough of a deterrent to any would be aggressor.
Since China's interests are becoming more global now it was only a matter of time before they invested in force projection.
They could help themselves to Taiwan right now if they wanted to. I think they would rather absorb the country/province peacefully though through economic means and are playing the waiting game.
Since China's interests are becoming more global now it was only a matter of time before they invested in force projection.
They could help themselves to Taiwan right now if they wanted to. I think they would rather absorb the country/province peacefully though through economic means and are playing the waiting game.
tting the aircraft into the deck/hull/briny with monotonous regularity turning it into just another big boat.jbi said:
China hasn't really invested in it's navy at all until the last 15 years or so, being content that it's massive land forces were enough of a deterrent to any would be aggressor.
Since China's interests are becoming more global now it was only a matter of time before they invested in force projection.
They could help themselves to Taiwan right now if they wanted to. I think they would rather absorb the country/province peacefully though through economic means and are playing the waiting game.
Not for another 10 years or so at least I reckon, they dont make good enough jet engines.Since China's interests are becoming more global now it was only a matter of time before they invested in force projection.
They could help themselves to Taiwan right now if they wanted to. I think they would rather absorb the country/province peacefully though through economic means and are playing the waiting game.
They only have a few more air to air tankers than the RAF and its just not enough and thats what they need to take Taiwan. Thats the thing they are lacking in regards to force projection imo.
You are right though, they are playing the waiting game. Thats what the Chinese do, they plan and they wait. That is the thing I admire most. The leaders make plans 5,10,15,25,50 year plans and they set along the paths to reach the goal then in another few years make a new set that ties in with the previous ones so say in 1990 they probably had already planned to start making carriers so they had 5 by 2025 or whatever.
While UK politicians make plans for the next three years and couldnt give a stuff about anything with a long lead time.
Mr Dave said:
Thats what the Chinese do, they plan and they wait. That is the thing I admire most. The leaders make plans 5,10,15,25,50 year plans and they set along the paths to reach the goal then in another few years make a new set that ties in with the previous ones so say in 1990 they probably had already planned to start making carriers so they had 5 by 2025 or whatever.
While UK politicians make plans for the next three years and couldnt give a stuff about anything with a long lead time.
Yes, the Chinese are great a central planning, Cultural Revolution, The Great Leap Forward, While UK politicians make plans for the next three years and couldnt give a stuff about anything with a long lead time.
Such is the big price paid for 'democracy' - you have to win votes from a not entirely intelligent/informed public to stay in power and will do anything to get them, even if it means screwing your own country to do so. The result is a distorted path, if indeed you have any path left at all. We also have to kowtow to Europe, whch hardly has the UK's interests at heart. 'Yes sir, beat me again sir, ooh fine me hard, oh yes that's good.'
Yep, China has it tucked up, short of some massive civil war or scrap with Russia which seems unlikely.
Yep, China has it tucked up, short of some massive civil war or scrap with Russia which seems unlikely.
Simpo Two said:
Such is the big price paid for 'democracy' - you have to win votes from a not entirely intelligent/informed public to stay in power and will do anything to get them, even if it means screwing your own country to do so. The result is a distorted path, if indeed you have any path left at all. We also have to kowtow to Europe, whch hardly has the UK's interests at heart. 'Yes sir, beat me again sir, ooh fine me hard, oh yes that's good.'
Yep, China has it tucked up, short of some massive civil war or scrap with Russia which seems unlikely.
Don't expect the path of progress in China to continue in a smooth upward curve forever. They already had one major "incident" in 1989 and I am sure there will be other rocks in the road for them to negotiate over the next two or three decades.Yep, China has it tucked up, short of some massive civil war or scrap with Russia which seems unlikely.
It's a 300m refurbished cold war carrier and by all accounts it's got c**p Ukranian engines which are unreliable. It might give a moral boost to the Chinese navy but it's not a real threat to anyone apart from pirates, as for Taiwan that's already covered by land based Chinese aircraft so really it's pretty much just a 'vanity' statement. A bit like driving a really big old Jaguar to make yourself feel like you're important.
As an aside, the Chinese have no more 'built' this aircraft carrier than the Indian navy 'built' the Vikramaditya
As an aside, the Chinese have no more 'built' this aircraft carrier than the Indian navy 'built' the Vikramaditya
Timmy35 said:
It's a 300m refurbished cold war carrier and by all accounts it's got c**p Ukranian engines which are unreliable. It might give a moral boost to the Chinese navy but it's not a real threat to anyone apart from pirates, as for Taiwan that's already covered by land based Chinese aircraft so really it's pretty much just a 'vanity' statement. A bit like driving a really big old Jaguar to make yourself feel like you're important.
As an aside, the Chinese have no more 'built' this aircraft carrier than the Indian navy 'built' the Vikramaditya
Its still better than what we have.As an aside, the Chinese have no more 'built' this aircraft carrier than the Indian navy 'built' the Vikramaditya
Ocean isnt even a proper warship.
Timmy35 said:
It's a 300m refurbished cold war carrier and by all accounts it's got c**p Ukranian engines which are unreliable. It might give a moral boost to the Chinese navy but it's not a real threat to anyone apart from pirates, as for Taiwan that's already covered by land based Chinese aircraft so really it's pretty much just a 'vanity' statement. A bit like driving a really big old Jaguar to make yourself feel like you're important.
As an aside, the Chinese have no more 'built' this aircraft carrier than the Indian navy 'built' the Vikramaditya
I think you've missed the point with this ship.As an aside, the Chinese have no more 'built' this aircraft carrier than the Indian navy 'built' the Vikramaditya
The Chinese will be the first to admit it is not a threat. This is a tool to train and learn with and form a base for the future Chinese carrier fleet.
This ship was built with a different role in mind than the Chinese want from their carriers (hence the reasons it's arsenal of ship to ship/land attack cruise missiles have been removed)
I read this in the free paper Metro, they also ran an article underneath stating that on the exact same date China announced this ship, Taiwan revealed its new 'Carrier Killer' missile, with a photo in the background of the presentation of it striking an awfully similar Carrier to that of the Chinese!
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