Grads more likely to become cleaners
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/jobs/8719784/Gr...
No s
t Sherlock.
Now, let's strip out all those with pointless degrees that have formed part of the last 10 year's massive expansion of everyone having to go to Uni and let's look at the real figures......................Shock horror, grads with sensible degrees at a good level are still rocking and rolling with decent jobs and healthy career paths.
Let's face the cold truth here, the headline should actually be: Cleaners delay starting work as cleaners by going to Uni for 3 years.
No s
t Sherlock.Now, let's strip out all those with pointless degrees that have formed part of the last 10 year's massive expansion of everyone having to go to Uni and let's look at the real figures......................Shock horror, grads with sensible degrees at a good level are still rocking and rolling with decent jobs and healthy career paths.
Let's face the cold truth here, the headline should actually be: Cleaners delay starting work as cleaners by going to Uni for 3 years.
And of course, part of the great shame of all this is that contemporary culture and society somehow (especailly in the UK) deem cleaners and other low-skilled jobs to be worthless. Embarrasingly so.
In the UK this also extends to worknig in bars, hotels and resauraunts. The fact that the long-term unemployed show little inclination for this work is as much a symptom of the arrogant and inconsiderate attitude of others.
In the UK this also extends to worknig in bars, hotels and resauraunts. The fact that the long-term unemployed show little inclination for this work is as much a symptom of the arrogant and inconsiderate attitude of others.
Digga said:
And of course, part of the great shame of all this is that contemporary culture and society somehow (especailly in the UK) deem cleaners and other low-skilled jobs to be worthless. Embarrasingly so.
In the UK this also extends to worknig in bars, hotels and resauraunts. The fact that the long-term unemployed show little inclination for this work is as much a symptom of the arrogant and inconsiderate attitude of others.
very much aggree , like for instance a hospital if the cleaner dosent do his or her job right someone could die same with a surgeon but one has respect and the other is treated like what they are paid a pitance to clean up... In the UK this also extends to worknig in bars, hotels and resauraunts. The fact that the long-term unemployed show little inclination for this work is as much a symptom of the arrogant and inconsiderate attitude of others.
DonkeyApple said:
...Let's face the cold truth here, the headline should actually be: Cleaners delay starting work as cleaners by going to Uni for 3 years.
If we take this statement and the following two posts to me it says that :- Cleaning degrees are required!
With the power of the WWW ....
There seems to be a Facebook page suggesting that BSc stands for :- Brooming, Sweeping and cleaning !
And there really is a degree in Environmental Cleaning Management !
http://www.cleaningmag.com/news/view/foundation-de...
Digga said:
And of course, part of the great shame of all this is that contemporary culture and society somehow (especailly in the UK) deem cleaners and other low-skilled jobs to be worthless. Embarrasingly so.
In the UK this also extends to worknig in bars, hotels and resauraunts. The fact that the long-term unemployed show little inclination for this work is as much a symptom of the arrogant and inconsiderate attitude of others.
Agree totally.In the UK this also extends to worknig in bars, hotels and resauraunts. The fact that the long-term unemployed show little inclination for this work is as much a symptom of the arrogant and inconsiderate attitude of others.
One of the worst aspects of UK. I use to have lots of aquaintancies/friends that were waiters, barmen and even footballers
due to me wasting my youth trying to play squash. These were the opponents available to play during the day. I found them no different to some of the pillocks I played in the evening.
Insecure persons feel the need to make sure there is someone below them.
If ever I feel the need for someone below me, they better be blonde with big knockers.
PS that is the most creative spelling of restaurants I've ever seen, it actually beats some of my failed attempts
Posting from a phone no doubt.
"The findings also revealed that having low levels of qualifications does not always act as a barrier to working in jobs requiring high skills. In 2010, about 7pc of workers with no qualficiations worked in high-skill occupations such as retail and wholesale managers, production managers and marketing bosses. "
when did wholesale managers and marketing managers become High Skill jobs?
Surgeons, Architects and engineers are high skilled jobs right not marketing managers etc. Well IMO at least. I certainly don't think i'm highly skilled working in recruitment.
when did wholesale managers and marketing managers become High Skill jobs?
Surgeons, Architects and engineers are high skilled jobs right not marketing managers etc. Well IMO at least. I certainly don't think i'm highly skilled working in recruitment.
If 'gradflation' continues at the current rate, it’ll be challenging to secure a trainee cleaning post. It’s already tough for us PhD types, because we specialised in undertaking cleaning tasks with a sponge as opposed to some Pledge and a microfibre cloth, which results in a plethora of ‘your application for the household cleaner vacancy has been unsuccessful’.
Mikeyboy said:
when did wholesale managers and marketing managers become High Skill jobs?
Surgeons, Architects and engineers are high skilled jobs right not marketing managers etc. Well IMO at least. I certainly don't think i'm highly skilled working in recruitment.
I think you do need high skills to do those jobs really well - won't you don't necessarily need is a degreeSurgeons, Architects and engineers are high skilled jobs right not marketing managers etc. Well IMO at least. I certainly don't think i'm highly skilled working in recruitment.
jeff m said:
Insecure persons feel the need to make sure there is someone below them.
This is ever the case. I think the worst offenders, in restaurants at least, are people who somehow believe they are showing themselves up - unintended breaches of etiquette, mispronunciations of the menu or wine list etc. etc. - as much as nouveau types who want to make a fuss of throwing their weight/wealth around.jeff m said:
PS that is the most creative spelling of restaurants I've ever seen, it actually beats some of my failed attempts Posting from a phone no doubt.
No, just genuine, good old-fashoined f Posting from a phone no doubt.kwittery. SammyW said:
Fittster said:
What is surprising is that the article classes nursing as a low skill occupation.
No it doesn't, it says it's a "middle skill" occupation. Whatever that means.1. there's an awful of of Registered Nurses and Midwives - hundreds of thousands of us
2. Historically the entry requirements were seen as modest - i.e. you didn't need post 16 study and until around 20 - 25 years ago only a minority of RNs had a Higher Education qualifications where other professions have a lot longer history of wanting graduate level qualifications on entry ...
3. There is an assumption that we (Registered Nurses) are somehow incapable of acting without a clever Doctor to tell us what to do
4. people such as the Late Claire Rayner, who despite having once been a Registered Nurse don't actually have any relevant clinical experience having been out of clinical practice for 40, 50 or more years - her 'extensive' career appears to have spanned 9 years including pre-registration and was terminated in 1960 by motherhood having survived her Marriage...
Also Nadine Dorries MP is cited by the media on occasion as being a nurse , again another person who career was less than a decade include pre-reg as was over 30 years ago ...
Edited by mph1977 on Wednesday 24th August 17:26
vonuber said:
DonkeyApple said:
.Shock horror, grads with sensible degrees at a good level are still rocking and rolling with decent jobs and healthy career paths.
Just to say, this is not true in Civil Engineering at all. Can't speak for other sectors.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/jobs/8712861/Ci...
"Dan Harrison, an 18 year-old who abandoned plans for a career in banking to become a civil engineer, said: "In banking you picture someone sitting there on a phone at a computer. With civil engineering, you're out in the field doing drawings."
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