Bit of tyre advice - Clio Cup
Discussion
Under really hard braking the back of my clio 172 cup goes a bit light. This is only under extremely hard braking though. It has been stripped out so there is less weight over the back end. It is currently on god awful Ling Langs (on the car when I bought it!) and I am now changing the fronts to Toyo T1R's as they are worn out. Question is; will having quite sticky tyres on the front add to the rear end going light if I leave the s
tty ling langs on the back? Should I replace all 4 tyres? I'd rather not do the rears just yet as they have loads of tread left... Thoughts? Obviously it would be preferable to have T1R's all round but its another £150 to do the rears and feels a bit wasteful as they have loads of tread left. That said if having T1R's on the front and budgets on the back is going to make the rear end lightness even worse I might have to do all four...
tty ling langs on the back? Should I replace all 4 tyres? I'd rather not do the rears just yet as they have loads of tread left... Thoughts? Obviously it would be preferable to have T1R's all round but its another £150 to do the rears and feels a bit wasteful as they have loads of tread left. That said if having T1R's on the front and budgets on the back is going to make the rear end lightness even worse I might have to do all four...Have you thought about fitting the Whiteline Rear Anti Roll bar kit?
http://www.k-tecracing.com/show_product.asp?id=396...
http://www.k-tecracing.com/show_product.asp?id=396...
couldn't be bothered to read all those words but the nangkangs get a good review on cliosport.net.
i bought them for my Cup 172 and they are good. Good = no crashes + occasional hoonage.
I feel your pain. Just buy the best damn crap that affects 90% of your handling. You wont regret it: honest.
i bought them for my Cup 172 and they are good. Good = no crashes + occasional hoonage.
I feel your pain. Just buy the best damn crap that affects 90% of your handling. You wont regret it: honest.
Edited by MollyHouse on Sunday 16th October 23:14
I've just fitted proxes 4 to my 172 and so far so good a lot calmer than the Chinese ste that I bought it with and £42.50 a corner they need a little warming up but they bite HARD! Quite impressed and they seem to suit the flighty nature of the car. However I would always be tempted to fit Michelin as it's French to French and they were OEM, you are talking about £20-£30 a corner more though.
(Edited to say)
I realised that as soon as I said what I did I hadn't taken into account that the cup has the speedline alloys that use 195/45/16's rather than 195/50/15's and the cost difference is substantial!
Which definitely changes my opinion.
I've a mate with a cup that always recommended Goodyear F1's but the current asymetrical type two hasn't filtered down to smaller sizes yet so I'd say from what I've heard go Yokohama or if your daring try the uniroyal rainsport 2. It's a tyre that seems to split opinion but since you've stripped the car out the softish sidewalls shouldn't matter as much, and their wet weather performance is meant to be unbelievable which considering our climate is a reasonable factor!
te that I bought it with and £42.50 a corner they need a little warming up but they bite HARD! Quite impressed and they seem to suit the flighty nature of the car. However I would always be tempted to fit Michelin as it's French to French and they were OEM, you are talking about £20-£30 a corner more though.(Edited to say)
I realised that as soon as I said what I did I hadn't taken into account that the cup has the speedline alloys that use 195/45/16's rather than 195/50/15's and the cost difference is substantial!
Which definitely changes my opinion.
I've a mate with a cup that always recommended Goodyear F1's but the current asymetrical type two hasn't filtered down to smaller sizes yet so I'd say from what I've heard go Yokohama or if your daring try the uniroyal rainsport 2. It's a tyre that seems to split opinion but since you've stripped the car out the softish sidewalls shouldn't matter as much, and their wet weather performance is meant to be unbelievable which considering our climate is a reasonable factor!
Edited by FRA53R on Monday 17th October 01:00
R300will said:
put your ling langs on the fronts and new tyres on the back? wear your way through the ste tyres as they will wear quicker on the fronts anyway then you can have toyos on all four and less rear sliding due to stter tyres on the front hence understeer more likely to occur?
Good plan, may go for this. te tyres as they will wear quicker on the fronts anyway then you can have toyos on all four and less rear sliding due to stter tyres on the front hence understeer more likely to occur?davepoth said:
New tyres always on the back, rather than the front.
Not always.A female friend of mine buys a new Golf with sticky Conti tubber on. 15,000 miles later the fronts are at 2mm and the rears nearly new. Tyre-monkey says new tyres always on the back and shocked at the cost of two contis, she takes the advice of the fitter and has some new chinese ditchfinders (just as good as the contis madam) fitted on the rear and the 5mm contis on the front.
Can you guess what happened when she had to brake hard on a corner now she has teflon specials on the back and sticky contis on the front?
It would be far better to say 'grippiest tyres always on the back' as newer doesn't always mean more grip.
doogz said:
Caulkhead said:
davepoth said:
New tyres always on the back, rather than the front.
Not always.A female friend of mine buys a new Golf with sticky Conti tubber on. 15,000 miles later the fronts are at 2mm and the rears nearly new. Tyre-monkey says new tyres always on the back and shocked at the cost of two contis, she takes the advice of the fitter and has some new chinese ditchfinders (just as good as the contis madam) fitted on the rear and the 5mm contis on the front.
Can you guess what happened when she had to brake hard on a corner now she has teflon specials on the back and sticky contis on the front?
It would be far better to say 'grippiest tyres always on the back' as newer doesn't always mean more grip.
t"davepoth said:
New tyres always on the back, rather than the front.
Did that once on the advice of a tyre place, with midrange tyres (Firehawks I think), half worn on the front, new on the rear of a ZX. Scary handling and I swapped them round within and week and will never do it again.Then again I wouldn't put a set of decent tyres on the front and leave part worn linglongs on the rear.
Edited by RizzoTheRat on Monday 17th October 12:35
I can't actually remember as it was a few years back, but it definatly felt like I wasn't in control.
Thinking back on it I wonder if understeer resulting from more grip on the front than the back, combined with the ZX's passive rear steering, made it feel like the whole car was going sideways, in which case it's probably not that relevant to other cars.
Thinking back on it I wonder if understeer resulting from more grip on the front than the back, combined with the ZX's passive rear steering, made it feel like the whole car was going sideways, in which case it's probably not that relevant to other cars.
Why is it on 17's?
I run T1R's (16") on the road and R888s (15") hillclimbing, the car will oversteer with either, rarely understeers though.
I think it's more down to adapting your driving style to suit the handling characteristics of the car though st tyres won't help.
On the subject of Whiteline ARBs, some seem to hate them, some love them - it's something I'm thinking of trying at some point.
I run T1R's (16") on the road and R888s (15") hillclimbing, the car will oversteer with either, rarely understeers though.
I think it's more down to adapting your driving style to suit the handling characteristics of the car though s
t tyres won't help.On the subject of Whiteline ARBs, some seem to hate them, some love them - it's something I'm thinking of trying at some point.
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