Thatcher is to blame for the mess we are in now
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Mrs G going on about a thread on Mumsnet called 'Thatcher is to blame for the mess we are in now' trying to argue the points but getting past a joke now, there are some really deluded people on there but I didn't need to tell you that did I.
http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/1326989-Thatcher...
Just thought I'd share what the evening in my house is like.....
http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/1326989-Thatcher...
Just thought I'd share what the evening in my house is like.....
iva cosworth said:
I am no political expert,
but wasnt she booted out of #10 about 20 years ago.
I think Blair n Brown may be more to blame for our current predicament.
Don't utter that in TPROSY, you'll get lynched by the rabid Labour supporters here, who to them, Arthur Scargill is still a great man, and Labour will get us out of this mess once againbut wasnt she booted out of #10 about 20 years ago.I think Blair n Brown may be more to blame for our current predicament.
GarryA said:
Mrs G going on about a thread on Mumsnet called 'Thatcher is to blame for the mess we are in now' trying to argue the points but getting past a joke now, there are some really deluded people on there but I didn't need to tell you that did I.
http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/1326989-Thatcher...
Just thought I'd share what the evening in my house is like.....
....time to leave YOUR house before it's too late....do it now....no marraige is worth that.http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/1326989-Thatcher...
Just thought I'd share what the evening in my house is like.....
Just out of interest, if in 15 years time or so someone blames the state of the country on the legacy of Brown, would the good people of PH ridicule them too?
My initial feeling is that Brown and Blair will still be being blamed for problems much more than 15 years into the future, and rightly so.
Likewise, Thatcher's legacy (for better or worse) is still notable today. (imo)
My initial feeling is that Brown and Blair will still be being blamed for problems much more than 15 years into the future, and rightly so.
Likewise, Thatcher's legacy (for better or worse) is still notable today. (imo)
Edited by Shay HTFC on Monday 24th October 21:10
I'll stick my head over the parapet.
I've been considering starting a post "energy costs & companies, Thatchers legacy?"
I looked at the first few posts on mumsnet, but frankly, they are as mad as a cut snake. Nobody even remotely qualified to comment.
There is no doubt in my mind that having sold the family silver, we are now reaping the rewards, but I'm no economist, simply a consumer.
Where does one purchase asbestos apparel nowadays?
I've been considering starting a post "energy costs & companies, Thatchers legacy?"
I looked at the first few posts on mumsnet, but frankly, they are as mad as a cut snake. Nobody even remotely qualified to comment.
There is no doubt in my mind that having sold the family silver, we are now reaping the rewards, but I'm no economist, simply a consumer.
Where does one purchase asbestos apparel nowadays?
Thatcher is to blame.
It was her concepts of free market and de-regulation that was copied by New Labour and magnified 1000 fold to create artificially inflated asset values and massive debt and thus ever increasing tax revenues.
They also copied her concept of paying off the peasants and going to war.
They took some of the smart ideas of Thatcher and slammed them into a drug fuelled overdrive, going ever bigger and bigger and bigger until it all burst horribly.
So yes. Thatcher did start it. She was Blair's spiritual mother, idol and inspiration.
It was her concepts of free market and de-regulation that was copied by New Labour and magnified 1000 fold to create artificially inflated asset values and massive debt and thus ever increasing tax revenues.
They also copied her concept of paying off the peasants and going to war.
They took some of the smart ideas of Thatcher and slammed them into a drug fuelled overdrive, going ever bigger and bigger and bigger until it all burst horribly.
So yes. Thatcher did start it. She was Blair's spiritual mother, idol and inspiration.
DonkeyApple said:
Thatcher did start it. She was Blair's spiritual mother, idol and inspiration. :
Most PMs ran their time in charge as a sort of making do with what they had. Few gave us any form of legacy. There was the one who took us into the EEC. That is still with us now. Blair's legacy is still with us and likely to be so for some time.Others have left a more positive legacy. Atlee gave us the welfare state and regardless of the fact that others following have not managed it at all well, the benefits are still with us in the sense that we have a healthy population.
Thatcher's legacy is a bit mixed. There is little doubt in my mind that we are still enjoying her victory over rampant unions. Those that are left are either more amenable or no one is willing to take them on. Hardly Thatcher's fault.
However, the changes to the banks and such is also still with us. Whether post Thatcher PMs should have done something about it is a moot point. Major, an underrated PM in my mind, spent long enough in position and then was followed by the man who had puppy dog eyes for Thatcher. Neither of these did anything about the lack of control on banks.
My belief is that the deregulation was a step too far. Banks should not be allowed to gamble with money without checks. So it was Thatcher who started it but there were others who had the opportunity to change things.
Derek Smith said:
DonkeyApple said:
Thatcher did start it. She was Blair's spiritual mother, idol and inspiration. :
Most PMs ran their time in charge as a sort of making do with what they had. Few gave us any form of legacy. There was the one who took us into the EEC. That is still with us now. Blair's legacy is still with us and likely to be so for some time.Others have left a more positive legacy. Atlee gave us the welfare state and regardless of the fact that others following have not managed it at all well, the benefits are still with us in the sense that we have a healthy population.
Thatcher's legacy is a bit mixed. There is little doubt in my mind that we are still enjoying her victory over rampant unions. Those that are left are either more amenable or no one is willing to take them on. Hardly Thatcher's fault.
However, the changes to the banks and such is also still with us. Whether post Thatcher PMs should have done something about it is a moot point. Major, an underrated PM in my mind, spent long enough in position and then was followed by the man who had puppy dog eyes for Thatcher. Neither of these did anything about the lack of control on banks.
My belief is that the deregulation was a step too far. Banks should not be allowed to gamble with money without checks. So it was Thatcher who started it but there were others who had the opportunity to change things.
Depends on your view on obesity. Statistics show that more than 60 per cent of adults in England and a third of 10 and 11-year-olds are now obese. Those statistics are frightening.
It's been claimed that obesity and and associated chronic health conditions such as high blood pressure and diabetes cost Britain £20B a year in terms of lost productivity alone.
The population is so healthy that during the past five years Yorkshire's Ambulance Service alone has spent nearly £10 million on specialist vehicles just to transport obese patients.
dandarez said:
during the past five years Yorkshire's Ambulance Service alone has spent nearly £10 million on specialist vehicles just to transport obese patients.
How many fat people are there in Yorkshire?!£10m in 5 years = £2m a year.
Say £30,000 for a "specialist vehicle"
Are they really buying one a week just to shift the pies?
Derek Smith said:
Most PMs ran their time in charge as a sort of making do with what they had. Few gave us any form of legacy. There was the one who took us into the EEC. That is still with us now. Blair's legacy is still with us and likely to be so for some time.
Others have left a more positive legacy. Atlee gave us the welfare state and regardless of the fact that others following have not managed it at all well, the benefits are still with us in the sense that we have a healthy population.
Thatcher's legacy is a bit mixed. There is little doubt in my mind that we are still enjoying her victory over rampant unions. Those that are left are either more amenable or no one is willing to take them on. Hardly Thatcher's fault.
However, the changes to the banks and such is also still with us. Whether post Thatcher PMs should have done something about it is a moot point. Major, an underrated PM in my mind, spent long enough in position and then was followed by the man who had puppy dog eyes for Thatcher. Neither of these did anything about the lack of control on banks.
My belief is that the deregulation was a step too far. Banks should not be allowed to gamble with money without checks. So it was Thatcher who started it but there were others who had the opportunity to change things.
The de regulation under Thatcher was simplistic and essential. We are basically talking about the big bang here. Without that then all of our exchanges would have lost their volume and gone. Others have left a more positive legacy. Atlee gave us the welfare state and regardless of the fact that others following have not managed it at all well, the benefits are still with us in the sense that we have a healthy population.
Thatcher's legacy is a bit mixed. There is little doubt in my mind that we are still enjoying her victory over rampant unions. Those that are left are either more amenable or no one is willing to take them on. Hardly Thatcher's fault.
However, the changes to the banks and such is also still with us. Whether post Thatcher PMs should have done something about it is a moot point. Major, an underrated PM in my mind, spent long enough in position and then was followed by the man who had puppy dog eyes for Thatcher. Neither of these did anything about the lack of control on banks.
My belief is that the deregulation was a step too far. Banks should not be allowed to gamble with money without checks. So it was Thatcher who started it but there were others who had the opportunity to change things.
The problems we have now in the UK are a direct result of loony Brown's deregulation of the retail market. Everyone who has ever lived before Brown knew that it was essential to restrict retail access to debt as the masses will always borrow too much and cause massive asset inflation and subsequent collapse.
Brown knew this is well. What he did, he did deliberately. His actions were not about keeping the UK competitive against the world but all about opening the retail debt markets up to foreign players and dislocating debt from balance sheets.
Everyone remembers when their first MBNA mailshot appeared in the post or Ocean Finance appeared on TV. This is what has killed us. Pure and simple.
Our recession is not about global troubles. It is about excessive retail debt and tax receipts pre spent, based on the artificial asset inflation.
Look back to the last recession, the middle classes actually would not have been hit as hard as it was without the 30,000 top end tax payees being wiped out by Lloyds. They didn't have much debt and businesses weren't reliant on millions spending borrowed money.
The retail debt spiral we are in, caused by excessive and deliberate de regulation of retail lending has hit middle England harder than anything since the decimation of Flanders.
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