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tinman0

18,231 posts

156 months

Saturday 6th October 2012
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Elderly said:
Eric Mc said:
At various times over its history, TOTP has used teenage "plants" in the main audience to get the kids dancing, excited etc. They weren't formal dancers in the sense that they didn't perform as part of a troupe (Pan's People, Legs & Co, Zoo etc) but they were hired in and were regular attendees - so were not normal audience.
Eric - I don't put you down as somebody who espouses secondary research and then publicly
quotes it on this forum; so I have to ask, do you **know** this for a fact?
I've heard exactly what Eric said. Don't think it was any sort of secret.

greygoose

5,106 posts

111 months

Saturday 6th October 2012
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Evil Jack said:
Otherwise who's next? Patrick Moore?*


*Obviously a ridiculous example to make a point.
I don't think he molested anyone, probably more of a voyeur.

Oakey

21,008 posts

132 months

Saturday 6th October 2012
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wildcat45 said:
Judge this in the context of what was acceptable then. Not now.
I'm not sure this was ever really acceptable back then, well, apart from amongst other kiddy fiddlers perhaps.

vonuber

9,347 posts

81 months

Saturday 6th October 2012
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Reading the first page (man size) again is interesting in light of these allegations.

V8mate

38,720 posts

105 months

Saturday 6th October 2012
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Anyone else hear Liz Kershaw's revelations on R4's Today Programme this morning?

Having to put up with having her breasts groped whilst 'on air' in 1987 and being asked whether she was a lesbian when she tried to complain. T'wasn't Savile with the hands either... the revelations are only going to become more embarrassing for the Beeb over the coming weeks methinks.
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Lost_BMW

12,955 posts

92 months

Saturday 6th October 2012
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Evil Jack said:
Shaolin said:
The fact he never married or even had a partner for long implies that it was an obsession that didn't wane like it seems to have with others as they grew up a bit more, got married etc.
Why does it imply that?
Whilst I can't refute the evidence against Jimmy Savile, I also think it's a very sad aspect of modern society that anyone who's never married or is deemed a bit of a 'funny bugger', is often first on the list of suspects in any high profile sex crime.

We've seen peoples lives ruined by the media in recent cases (Robert Murat & Joanna Yates' landlord spring to mind).

I don't want to see a witch hunt against oddball celebrities.

Otherwise who's next? Patrick Moore?*


*Obviously a ridiculous example to make a point.
I'd probably start with someone known as Evil Jack...whistle

Lost_BMW

12,955 posts

92 months

Saturday 6th October 2012
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greygoose said:
Evil Jack said:
Otherwise who's next? Patrick Moore?*


*Obviously a ridiculous example to make a point.
I don't think he molested anyone, probably more of a voyeur.
Have you seen his telescope? Binoculars, pah!

wildcat45

6,194 posts

105 months

Saturday 6th October 2012
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Oakey said:
I'm not sure this was ever really acceptable back then, well, apart from amongst other kiddy fiddlers perhaps.
Don't know if you have read the whole thread. It was talked about earlier. Charlotte Church and her developing breasts, a tabloid counting down the days to when a 15 year old turned 16 so they could show her tits.

Elvis and his child bride etc etc.

There was lots of stuff, domestic voilence, casual racism, sexism, drink driving, smoking....

Have a read if you haven't. It mught put what I said in context

thehawk

9,335 posts

123 months

Saturday 6th October 2012
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Evil Jack said:
I don't want to see a witch hunt against oddball celebrities.

Otherwise who's next? Patrick Moore?
Well looks like there is more scandal for the BBC, as reports coming in that someone is now saying they saw Roy Hudd fisting a young bird.

JuniorD

4,667 posts

139 months

Saturday 6th October 2012
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maxfan said:
Straight up guv
It was like the triangle out of me school geometry set sprayed black
That sounds like an interesting coiffure; a hairy circumference with a wee bald triangle in the middle hehe

welsh blackbird

605 posts

160 months

Saturday 6th October 2012
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thehawk said:
Well looks like there is more scandal for the BBC, as reports coming in that someone is now saying they saw Roy Hudd fisting a young bird.
I think you mean Rod Hull!

McClure

2,172 posts

62 months

Saturday 6th October 2012
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welsh blackbird said:
thehawk said:
Well looks like there is more scandal for the BBC, as reports coming in that someone is now saying they saw Roy Hudd fisting a young bird.
I think you mean Rod Hull!
laugh

Shaolin

2,955 posts

105 months

Saturday 6th October 2012
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Evil Jack said:
Shaolin said:
The fact he never married or even had a partner for long implies that it was an obsession that didn't wane like it seems to have with others as they grew up a bit more, got married etc.
Why does it imply that?
Because he kept going? Because he was already in his late 30's on the 1st edition of TOTP and in his 40's and 50's through the time of his greatest fame and abuses. It denies him the excuse that he was overcome with attention and fame at an early age and had it "handed on a plate". He had been adult for decades and better was expected of him.

I don't mean that anyone who doesn't have a long term partner is likely to be a bit dodgy, but that people who are known to be dodgy and don't have partners are more likely to have chosen it as a life style choice. I was saying it to dsitinguish him from the pop stars who indulged and moved on. Like I said, he was one end of a grubby spectrum.

Evil Jack

1,374 posts

144 months

Saturday 6th October 2012
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Lost_BMW said:
I'd probably start with someone known as Evil Jack...whistle
yikes
Married for 12 years to a woman very much over 16.
She does think I'm a funny bugger though, so on that count I'm most definitely busted.

hehe

maxfan

1,622 posts

59 months

Saturday 6th October 2012
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FFS it seems everyone who was on Top Of the Pops seems to have been at it:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-221389891/... nesbitt-manager-tells-story-of-grooming-episode-with-lennie-peters.html

"Joseph Randall tour manager for Millican and Nesbitt states that on at least 2 occasions Lennie Peters the singer from Peters and Lee and close friend of both Alan Millican and Tom Nesbitt would act as the spotter and Alan Millican would indicate if the girl was to their liking then the girl would be whisked away and into the back of the transit van where lewd activity would take place"

9.3

911 posts

108 months

Saturday 6th October 2012
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maxfan said:
FFS it seems everyone who was on Top Of the Pops seems to have been at it:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-221389891/... nesbitt-manager-tells-story-of-grooming-episode-with-lennie-peters.html

"Joseph Randall tour manager for Millican and Nesbitt states that on at least 2 occasions Lennie Peters the singer from Peters and Lee and close friend of both Alan Millican and Tom Nesbitt would act as the spotter and Alan Millican would indicate if the girl was to their liking then the girl would be whisked away and into the back of the transit van where lewd activity would take place"
Err, Lennie Peters was blind - so him being used as a "spotter" may be a leg pull....

Rollcage

11,321 posts

108 months

Saturday 6th October 2012
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McClure said:
welsh blackbird said:
thehawk said:
Well looks like there is more scandal for the BBC, as reports coming in that someone is now saying they saw Roy Hudd fisting a young bird.
I think you mean Rod Hull!
laugh
Brilliant!

Eric Mc

93,208 posts

181 months

Saturday 6th October 2012
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maxfan said:
Lennie Peters .....would act as the spotter
I thought Lennie Peters was blind!

I bet Ray Charles and Stevie Wonder were used as alternative spotters then.

Laurel Green

23,315 posts

148 months

Saturday 6th October 2012
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Eric Mc said:
maxfan said:
Lennie Peters .....would act as the spotter
I thought Lennie Peters was blind!
I was just about to say the same, or did he have an exceptional nose for these things.

Cheib

12,186 posts

91 months

Saturday 6th October 2012
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V8mate said:
Anyone else hear Liz Kershaw's revelations on R4's Today Programme this morning?

Having to put up with having her breasts groped whilst 'on air' in 1987 and being asked whether she was a lesbian when she tried to complain. T'wasn't Savile with the hands either... the revelations are only going to become more embarrassing for the Beeb over the coming weeks methinks.
I didn't but just read about it on the BBC website. Shocking.

Seems more and more likely that this was "institutional"....plenty of people knew about it I suspect but they have all kept quiet.....guilt by association I suppose. Even if that association was just saying nothing. I don't think this is a BBC issue per se as I think it's a reflection of the era......it's institutional in that so many people knew and did nothing. As we've seen with Hillsborough recently people in this era were happy to turn a blind eye and even tamper with evidence.

Saville was a huge media personality (as were all the Radio 1 DJ's on the back of ToTP) and probably the highest profile charity fund raiser in the country at the time. His knighthood which he got in 1990 is a sign of how big he was///thsi is before they were thrown around like confetti. You can see how he was massively intimidating...and having watched the programme during the week he was physically intimidating too.