Borders chief quits saying

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Mojocvh

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16,837 posts

263 months

Tuesday 8th November 2011
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Clear my name...Na..Gimme all your wonga instead............

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-15648367

Says it all really.

ExChrispy Porker

16,927 posts

229 months

Tuesday 8th November 2011
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I don't blame him.

greygoose

8,266 posts

196 months

Tuesday 8th November 2011
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ExChrispy Porker said:
I don't blame him.
Nor do I, May's statements have been explicit in blaming him without his side of the story being available. She should have waited for the results of the investigation before attempting to clear her own name.

Mojooo

12,741 posts

181 months

Tuesday 8th November 2011
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I agree that is is odd that he was blamed without giving his side - that said, why doesnt he just come out and give his side of the story unofficially before the investigation starts/finishes.


greygoose

8,266 posts

196 months

Tuesday 8th November 2011
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Mojooo said:
I agree that is is odd that he was blamed without giving his side - that said, why doesnt he just come out and give his side of the story unofficially before the investigation starts/finishes.
I would guess that as a serving civil servant (albeit suspended) he is still bound by the Official Secrets Act and so could not give details of what was said/written by who and when without being charged with further offences of breaching the Act, now he has resigned he would presumably be able to present his case at the constructive dismissal hearing.

elster

17,517 posts

211 months

Tuesday 8th November 2011
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Just watching the Newsnight interview with the mans Rep.

Well I can't see him doing well out of this if that is who is representing him.


elster

17,517 posts

211 months

Tuesday 8th November 2011
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greygoose said:
Mojooo said:
I agree that is is odd that he was blamed without giving his side - that said, why doesnt he just come out and give his side of the story unofficially before the investigation starts/finishes.
I would guess that as a serving civil servant (albeit suspended) he is still bound by the Official Secrets Act and so could not give details of what was said/written by who and when without being charged with further offences of breaching the Act, now he has resigned he would presumably be able to present his case at the constructive dismissal hearing.
The Official Secrets Act does not work like that.

Murph7355

37,757 posts

257 months

Tuesday 8th November 2011
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Theresa May should be the one resigning.

Initially she says he did this off his own back, then she back tracks?

If he wins, the payment should be docked from her wages before she's shown the door.

elster

17,517 posts

211 months

Tuesday 8th November 2011
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Murph7355 said:
Theresa May should be the one resigning.

Initially she says he did this off his own back, then she back tracks?

If he wins, the payment should be docked from her wages before she's shown the door.
Which news have you been watching?

All the news currently reporting that Therresa May commissioned a pilot scheme for EU members.
Brodie took it on his own back, and previously admitted to his boss this, that it wasn't ministerial directions.

This is entirely down to the guy who decided to try his own thing.

Mojooo

12,741 posts

181 months

Wednesday 9th November 2011
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One way or the other it will come down to staff - or lack of staff

I reckon they didnt have enough staff to do the job with to start with - let alone to make the cuts with.

The purpose of the pilot was to utilise resources effectivley (fair enough) but accepting that many things will go unchecked - that is down to lack of staff and that issue is obviously down to the government.

the decision to do even less checks was down to someone - but again pushed on by a lack of staff.

davepoth

29,395 posts

200 months

Wednesday 9th November 2011
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The biometric thing doesn't work anyway.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2006/aug/07/h...

Hackers figured out how to get round the system in months, and because it's an international standard it will take years to be updated. As a result ditching the biometric part of the passport check jeopardised absolutely nobody; the people of the Border Agency did what they always do, which is look for shifty people. Which always seems to be me, every time I go through Dover. biggrin

Ozzie Osmond

21,189 posts

247 months

Wednesday 9th November 2011
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I love this fuss about checking passports at Calais. Typical modern idiocy, focussing on some point of detail while the real issue is somewhere else.

You can check passports until you're blue in the face but the question remains whether there's someone hiding under a blanket in the back of the car!!

Wings

5,814 posts

216 months

Wednesday 9th November 2011
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Ozzie Osmond said:
I love this fuss about checking passports at Calais. Typical modern idiocy, focussing on some point of detail while the real issue is somewhere else.

You can check passports until you're blue in the face but the question remains whether there's someone hiding under a blanket in the back of the car!!
Absolutely agree, really is a lack of resources, where successive governments have either made experience staff redundant or cut back on staff, and used “mobile” staff, being transported on a required basis from one port to another port.

At one South Wales sea port, it was well documented, that when customs were visibly seen to be on duty, haulage traffic dropped considerably.

Eric Mc

122,051 posts

266 months

Wednesday 9th November 2011
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What do you expect in a society where honour is something we never see - except perhaps amongst the military.

They are all as bad as each other.

elster

17,517 posts

211 months

Wednesday 9th November 2011
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Mojooo said:
One way or the other it will come down to staff - or lack of staff

I reckon they didnt have enough staff to do the job with to start with - let alone to make the cuts with.

The purpose of the pilot was to utilise resources effectivley (fair enough) but accepting that many things will go unchecked - that is down to lack of staff and that issue is obviously down to the government.

the decision to do even less checks was down to someone - but again pushed on by a lack of staff.
How many staff do you need?!

We have the highest numbers of staff for the number of people coming in for most of the western world.

Or do you mean a lack of competent staff?

Sticks.

8,771 posts

252 months

Wednesday 9th November 2011
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elster said:
We have the highest numbers of staff for the number of people coming in for most of the western world.
As a matter of interest, what's your source?

Mojooo

12,741 posts

181 months

Wednesday 9th November 2011
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elster said:
How many staff do you need?!

We have the highest numbers of staff for the number of people coming in for most of the western world.

Or do you mean a lack of competent staff?
Whatever you want to call them - the simple fact is most things like this are a numbers game - if you cannot fill up all the immigration desks then you will have delays because the volume of passengers at the big ports is that great.


0a

23,901 posts

195 months

Wednesday 9th November 2011
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Mojooo said:
Whatever you want to call them - the simple fact is most things like this are a numbers game - if you cannot fill up all the immigration desks then you will have delays because the volume of passengers at the big ports is that great.
This isn't correct. Getting rid of incomepetent staff, retraining and changing procedure is what it's all about. I was present at a talk by the most senior guy at a UK airport and they had massive, massive improvements after looking at this. No staff increase.

Victor McDade

4,395 posts

183 months

Wednesday 9th November 2011
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Theresa May would not be the Home Secretary had she been a man. Irrespective of whether she is to blame for this specific fiasco, I hope she's replaced by someone more competent sooner rather than later. She is the Tory version of Jacqui Smith.

Mojooo

12,741 posts

181 months

Wednesday 9th November 2011
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0a said:
This isn't correct. Getting rid of incomepetent staff, retraining and changing procedure is what it's all about. I was present at a talk by the most senior guy at a UK airport and they had massive, massive improvements after looking at this. No staff increase.
At a time when they are going through big cuts are they going to fire and hire new staff with all the associate costs?