Bring Back Winkie?
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thinfourth2 said:
I we still had winky we wouldn't be looking at 2 terms of Millibrain and co after the next election
CMD is going to get a huge kicking at the polls
Honestly, I'm not certain he will. Milliband has managed this week to adopt the Coalition policy on Europe, adopted the coalition policy on public sector strikes a while back, hasn't really come out all guns blazing on the cuts because he knows he would have to do the same, and can't even manage to put in a decent performance most weeks at PMQs.CMD is going to get a huge kicking at the polls
Germany are in a difficult position right now. As it turns out they can't afford for the weaker countries to fall out of the Euro; if they did it would appreciate like crazy (being mostly Germany), making the stuff they sell to the world horrendously expensive and causing a massive recession there. That's why Germany is being so forceful about keeping the Euro together.
Zod said:
What exactly is this "kicking"?
Winkie would either not have turned up or would have been in a different room giving a delusional speech about how everyone else had asked him to save the eurozone.
Cameron wants Merkel to buy up bonds, using the ECB, which she won't do because it'll cause German inflation (which the German's have a 'slight' aversion to - please refer to 'causes of WW2'). But, if they don't, we're all basically fWinkie would either not have turned up or would have been in a different room giving a delusional speech about how everyone else had asked him to save the eurozone.
ked. Merkel, essentially, wants a Tobin tax - meaning she wants the city to pay for the Eurozone crisis.Winkie, on the other hand, did actually turn up for a scrap. He persuaded the Americans and the rest, to support the banks. Even right wing commentators have admitted he pulled off an amazing coup on that ocassion and that, in future, we'll begin to realise what he achieved. However much you may have hated him, he won one of the most important arguments of the century. CMD may have the right answer, but he hasn't got the cojones to win the argument.
If he doesn't pull his finger out, we're going to get stitched up by Merkel and the other members of the Eurozone. We're going to end up as second rate members of Europe, but at the same time paying for their mistakes.
That's receiving a f
king good kicking in my books... Mr Snap said:
Cameron wants Merkel to buy up bonds, using the ECB, which she won't do because it'll cause German inflation (which the German's have a 'slight' aversion to - please refer to 'causes of WW2'). But, if they don't, we're all basically fked. Merkel, essentially, wants a Tobin tax - meaning she wants the city to pay for the Eurozone crisis.
Winkie, on the other hand, did actually turn up for a scrap. He persuaded the Americans and the rest, to support the banks. Even right wing commentators have admitted he pulled off an amazing coup on that ocassion and that, in future, we'll begin to realise what he achieved. However much you may have hated him, he won one of the most important arguments of the century. CMD may have the right answer, but he hasn't got the cojones to win the argument.
If he doesn't pull his finger out, we're going to get stitched up by Merkel and the other members of the Eurozone. We're going to end up as second rate members of Europe, but at the same time paying for their mistakes.
That's receiving a fking good kicking in my books...
I suspect it's all positioning by Merkel trying to make herself look hard headed before the inevitable bond buying begins. It means she can wring as many reforms as possible out of other Euro countries (2 PM scalps to her so far), and ultimately when bond buying starts she can blame the damned UK for it. I can already see the headlines about those Bloody Brits selfishly tanking the Euro. ked. Merkel, essentially, wants a Tobin tax - meaning she wants the city to pay for the Eurozone crisis.Winkie, on the other hand, did actually turn up for a scrap. He persuaded the Americans and the rest, to support the banks. Even right wing commentators have admitted he pulled off an amazing coup on that ocassion and that, in future, we'll begin to realise what he achieved. However much you may have hated him, he won one of the most important arguments of the century. CMD may have the right answer, but he hasn't got the cojones to win the argument.
If he doesn't pull his finger out, we're going to get stitched up by Merkel and the other members of the Eurozone. We're going to end up as second rate members of Europe, but at the same time paying for their mistakes.
That's receiving a f
king good kicking in my books... Cameron is but a pawn in her game of national politics. He won’t get anything out of it at all.
0a said:
Mr Snap said:
Cameron wants Merkel to buy up bonds, using the ECB, which she won't do because it'll cause German inflation (which the German's have a 'slight' aversion to - please refer to 'causes of WW2'). But, if they don't, we're all basically fked. Merkel, essentially, wants a Tobin tax - meaning she wants the city to pay for the Eurozone crisis.
Winkie, on the other hand, did actually turn up for a scrap. He persuaded the Americans and the rest, to support the banks. Even right wing commentators have admitted he pulled off an amazing coup on that ocassion and that, in future, we'll begin to realise what he achieved. However much you may have hated him, he won one of the most important arguments of the century. CMD may have the right answer, but he hasn't got the cojones to win the argument.
If he doesn't pull his finger out, we're going to get stitched up by Merkel and the other members of the Eurozone. We're going to end up as second rate members of Europe, but at the same time paying for their mistakes.
That's receiving a fking good kicking in my books...
I suspect it's all positioning by Merkel trying to make herself look hard headed before the inevitable bond buying begins. It means she can wring as many reforms as possible out of other Euro countries (2 PM scalps to her so far), and ultimately when bond buying starts she can blame the damned UK for it. I can already see the headlines about those Bloody Brits selfishly tanking the Euro. ked. Merkel, essentially, wants a Tobin tax - meaning she wants the city to pay for the Eurozone crisis.Winkie, on the other hand, did actually turn up for a scrap. He persuaded the Americans and the rest, to support the banks. Even right wing commentators have admitted he pulled off an amazing coup on that ocassion and that, in future, we'll begin to realise what he achieved. However much you may have hated him, he won one of the most important arguments of the century. CMD may have the right answer, but he hasn't got the cojones to win the argument.
If he doesn't pull his finger out, we're going to get stitched up by Merkel and the other members of the Eurozone. We're going to end up as second rate members of Europe, but at the same time paying for their mistakes.
That's receiving a f
king good kicking in my books... Cameron is but a pawn in her game of national politics. He won’t get anything out of it at all.
But, who have we got now, who she wouldn't simply swat?
Is there anyone, on either front bench, who's remotely up to the job?
Mr Snap said:
But, referring to my OP, would Winkie have done any better? Personally, I think he would.
...and what, precisely, do you think he would have done?Obviously, he would inadvertantly leave his microphone on, and referred to Merkel as 'A Bigoted Cabbage-Guzzling Witch of a Hausfrau' when he thought he was in private...
...but apart from that, what else?
Mr Snap said:
0a said:
Mr Snap said:
Cameron wants Merkel to buy up bonds, using the ECB, which she won't do because it'll cause German inflation (which the German's have a 'slight' aversion to - please refer to 'causes of WW2'). But, if they don't, we're all basically fked. Merkel, essentially, wants a Tobin tax - meaning she wants the city to pay for the Eurozone crisis.
Winkie, on the other hand, did actually turn up for a scrap. He persuaded the Americans and the rest, to support the banks. Even right wing commentators have admitted he pulled off an amazing coup on that ocassion and that, in future, we'll begin to realise what he achieved. However much you may have hated him, he won one of the most important arguments of the century. CMD may have the right answer, but he hasn't got the cojones to win the argument.
If he doesn't pull his finger out, we're going to get stitched up by Merkel and the other members of the Eurozone. We're going to end up as second rate members of Europe, but at the same time paying for their mistakes.
That's receiving a fking good kicking in my books...
I suspect it's all positioning by Merkel trying to make herself look hard headed before the inevitable bond buying begins. It means she can wring as many reforms as possible out of other Euro countries (2 PM scalps to her so far), and ultimately when bond buying starts she can blame the damned UK for it. I can already see the headlines about those Bloody Brits selfishly tanking the Euro. ked. Merkel, essentially, wants a Tobin tax - meaning she wants the city to pay for the Eurozone crisis.Winkie, on the other hand, did actually turn up for a scrap. He persuaded the Americans and the rest, to support the banks. Even right wing commentators have admitted he pulled off an amazing coup on that ocassion and that, in future, we'll begin to realise what he achieved. However much you may have hated him, he won one of the most important arguments of the century. CMD may have the right answer, but he hasn't got the cojones to win the argument.
If he doesn't pull his finger out, we're going to get stitched up by Merkel and the other members of the Eurozone. We're going to end up as second rate members of Europe, but at the same time paying for their mistakes.
That's receiving a f
king good kicking in my books... Cameron is but a pawn in her game of national politics. He won’t get anything out of it at all.
But, who have we got now, who she wouldn't simply swat?
Is there anyone, on either front bench, who's remotely up to the job?
Looking at our current political figures, I have to say that I agree with you that there isn’t really anyone suitable. We need someone who is happy to upset our European neighbours and who isn’t bothered by what they read on the BBC website the next morning. As much as I hate to say use her as an example, we need the likes of Thatcher who went into Europe not really caring what they thought of her. At the moment we have Cameron/Miliband and the like who desperately want this nasty European issue to go away so they can get back to business as usual.
How about David Davis, at a push? He seems not to be too bothered about speaking his mind.
king arthur said:
Mr Snap said:
Is there anyone, on either front bench, who's remotely up to the job?
William Hague?He's poison when it comes to elections.
I know it's popular on these pages to dislike Cameron, but seriously, how exactly has Merkel "swatted him away"? It's bonkers.
What Merkel wants- needs, really- is a huge tranche of British cash, raised by imposing an EU only Tobin tax. A tax that would have been inflicted mainly on us.
What she got is "no".
Brown (if we were not already knocking on the IMF's door, which seems unlikely), would simply have said "How much would you like?" And then would have spent the next 4 years lying about it.
What Merkel wants- needs, really- is a huge tranche of British cash, raised by imposing an EU only Tobin tax. A tax that would have been inflicted mainly on us.
What she got is "no".
Brown (if we were not already knocking on the IMF's door, which seems unlikely), would simply have said "How much would you like?" And then would have spent the next 4 years lying about it.
Edited by Disgusted on Friday 18th November 20:06
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