I see no problem with this...
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http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline...
18yo Mother shoots and kills an intruder after 911 operator advises her to "Do what you need to do to protect your baby."
She'd be in a spot of bother in this country.
18yo Mother shoots and kills an intruder after 911 operator advises her to "Do what you need to do to protect your baby."
She'd be in a spot of bother in this country.
Let's assume this took place in the UK.
He's at the door, armed, trying to get in.
She's blocked the door with her sofa. While he is trying to get in she would have had time to go to the gun cabinet, unlock it, load a gun and be ready.
He enters, she shoots him.
Would she 100% be in trouble? I don't think it's that clear cut.
He's at the door, armed, trying to get in.
She's blocked the door with her sofa. While he is trying to get in she would have had time to go to the gun cabinet, unlock it, load a gun and be ready.
He enters, she shoots him.
Would she 100% be in trouble? I don't think it's that clear cut.
"NBC affiliate KFOR-TV has video of its interview with Sarah McKinley, who was alone with her 3-month-old son in their Blanchard home, MSNBC says. McKinley says two men -- one of whom she had met previously -- appeared at her door Saturday night and then tried to break in. Two days earlier, she had buried her husband, who died of cancer on Christmas Day.
One man -- identified as 24-year-old Justin Martin --- had come by Thursday to express condolences. But Saturday, armed with a foot-long hunting knife, he and his partner attempted to break down McKinley's door. She blocked it with her couch, grabbed her baby and fetched a 12-gauge shotgun and a handgun before calling 911.
Martin, who charged McKinley with his knife, was hit in the "upper torso," police said. He was pronounced dead at the scene. His cohort, Dustin Louis Stewart, 29, fled but later surrendered to authorities."
Good on her for successfully defending herself against the scum... what an awful ordeal, and just after burying her husband.
One man -- identified as 24-year-old Justin Martin --- had come by Thursday to express condolences. But Saturday, armed with a foot-long hunting knife, he and his partner attempted to break down McKinley's door. She blocked it with her couch, grabbed her baby and fetched a 12-gauge shotgun and a handgun before calling 911.
Martin, who charged McKinley with his knife, was hit in the "upper torso," police said. He was pronounced dead at the scene. His cohort, Dustin Louis Stewart, 29, fled but later surrendered to authorities."
Good on her for successfully defending herself against the scum... what an awful ordeal, and just after burying her husband.
heads about to talk peace and love to.Marf said:
SpeedMattersNot said:
If we were in the UK, why would she have a gun?
Why wouldnt she have a gun? You can legally own firearms in the UK you know.As long as the intruder took long enough to become an assailant...she would have needed time to go to her discreet, secure locked storage unit, remove the shotgun, then go to the separate area for storing cartridges, load up, and hope she hadn't been knifed in the meantime.
In the Okla case described there may have been that amount of time, in other cases probably not.
Our laws all around this type of situation are of use only to criminals and handwringers.
She would still have been arrested rather than helped to sweep up, every bit of DNA boosts the unofficial official national DNA database.
turbobloke said:
As long as the intruder took long enough to become an assailant...she would have needed time to go to her discreet, secure locked storage unit, remove the shotgun, then go to the separate area for storing cartridges, and hope she hadn't been knifed in the meantime.
Well yes indeed, you'll see above I laid that out.There has been a couple of similar stories from America recently.
I wonder how this case would have gone in a UK court:
http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2012/jan/03/collier...
I wonder how this case would have gone in a UK court:
http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2012/jan/03/collier...
Ozzie Osmond said:
I believe the position would be exactly the same in UK.
Exactly this.Folks, don't believe the Daily Mail, you have the right to own a shotgun (seriously, the onus is upon them to find reasons not to give you one!) and the right to defend yourself in your own home.
Had this happened like that here, the outcome for the home owner would have been the same..
Marf said:
SpeedMattersNot said:
If we were in the UK, why would she have a gun?
Why wouldnt she have a gun? You can legally own firearms in the UK you know.Marf said:
turbobloke said:
As long as the intruder took long enough to become an assailant...she would have needed time to go to her discreet, secure locked storage unit, remove the shotgun, then go to the separate area for storing cartridges, and hope she hadn't been knifed in the meantime.
Well yes indeed, you'll see above I laid that out.I also set out that our laws are an ass in this regaard and they are. Comments are rightly made that individuals are - eventually - not charged, but where it's bleedin' obvious they should not be arrested and held overnight either. Some are. Police should help hose down the scene and move on, possibly pausing to recommend the citizen for a civic award. That doesn't happen. Our approach is procedurally hidebound, over-zealous and puts innocent people through ordeals they should not have to face having already gone through a life-or-death ordeal.
In the UK, this woman would be free to go eventually if the shotgun was owned lawfully, I'm sure of that, but she would also have been arrested and I'm sure of that too, but there would have been no need.
SpeedMattersNot said:
Marf said:
SpeedMattersNot said:
If we were in the UK, why would she have a gun?
Why wouldnt she have a gun? You can legally own firearms in the UK you know.So again, you asked why would she have a gun, I asked why wouldnt she? It's legal to own a gun(albeit not a handgun) here.
turbobloke said:
Marf said:
turbobloke said:
As long as the intruder took long enough to become an assailant...she would have needed time to go to her discreet, secure locked storage unit, remove the shotgun, then go to the separate area for storing cartridges, and hope she hadn't been knifed in the meantime.
Well yes indeed, you'll see above I laid that out.I also set out that our laws are an ass in this regaard and they are. Comments are rightly made that individuals are - eventually - not charged, but where it's bleedin' obvious they should not be arrested and held overnight either. Some are. Police should help hose down the scene and move on, possibly pausing to recommend the citizen for a civic award. That doesn't happen. Our approach is procedurally hidebound, over-zealous and puts innocent people through ordeals they should not have to face having already gone through a life-or-death ordeal.
In the UK, this woman would be free to go eventually if the shotgun was owned lawfully, I'm sure of that, but she would also have been arrested and I'm sure of that too, but there would have been no need.
Marf said:
SpeedMattersNot said:
Marf said:
SpeedMattersNot said:
If we were in the UK, why would she have a gun?
Why wouldnt she have a gun? You can legally own firearms in the UK you know.So again, you asked why would she have a gun, I asked why wouldnt she? It's legal to own a gun(albeit not a handgun) here.
Most people in the UK don't own guns. And if they do, chances are they're not 18year old girls with babies.
There is more of a reason to ask why, in the UK, an 18 year old girl with a baby has a shotgun and a handgun in her house than to not ask why. IMO
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