Should we extradite our citizens to the USA?

[fluffnik]

I don't think we should.

• USA tortures people
• Inhumane prisons
• Legal system will bankrupt the innocent

I don't think we should extradite our citizens anywhere that might treat them more harshly than our courts, ever.

[thehawk]

If there is clear evidence that a crime has been committed on US soil and people are hiding from this in the UK then I have no problem with extradition.

[davepoth]

Because we'd much rather have criminals here, wouldn't we?

[fluffnik]

davepoth said:

Because we'd much rather have criminals here, wouldn't we?

Just because the USA says they're criminals doesn't make it so, there's at least one tax paying citizen being sold down the river by the state that owes him a duty of protection as I type...

[fluffnik]

thehawk said:

If there is clear evidence that a crime has been committed on US soil and people are hiding from this in the UK then I have no problem with extradition.

I'm still against it, even if the US indemnified defence costs, whilst they have Supermax jails and the death penalty.

We won't send foreigners to face other brutal regimes so WTF are we doing sending Citizens to the USA?

[Huff]

Not on the current inequitable basis. Absolutely not in fact.

The US may internally have voted itself the right to pursue and render people the world over, but we do not and should not have to support such unilateral lunacy esp. when it is/will be prone to abuse from sufficiently-bankrolled /en-lawyered private corporations within the US.

'To no one will we sell, to no one deny or delay right or justice.' (Magna Carta - 1215)

[davepoth]

fluffnik said:

Just because the USA says they're criminals doesn't make it so, there's at least one tax paying citizen being sold down the river by the state that owes him a duty of protection as I type...

McKinnon, or this other bloke? remember they're only being "sold down the river" because a judge here has decided that they've committed what would be considered a crime here in the UK.

[Mojooo]

Might find this interesting

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-16041824

[Oakey]

davepoth said:

McKinnon, or this other bloke? remember they're only being "sold down the river" because a judge here has decided that they've committed what would be considered a crime here in the UK.

I think he possibly means one of the three Natwest guys that got jailed

[0a]

This poll makes no sense. I voted "yes" as clearly the answer to "should we ever extradite..." is yes, we should sometimes (ie mass murderer in the US with clear evidence), but could have voted "with evidence".

I think you meant "yes - always" but you should reconsider the middle option.

[fluffnik]

Oakey said:

I think he possibly means one of the three Natwest guys that got jailed

Perhaps. Perhaps (many) others.

The USA's "justice" system regularly punishes the innocent who successfully defend themselves more than those who cop a plea.

I don't think we should ever subject the worst of our citizens to that.

[fluffnik]

0a said:

This poll makes no sense. I voted "yes" as clearly the answer to "should we ever extradite..." is yes, we should sometimes (ie mass murderer in the US with clear evidence), but could have voted "with evidence".

I think you meant "yes - always" but you should reconsider the middle option.

There's a space limit which "prima facie case" exceeded.

[dandarez]

Huff said:

Not on the current inequitable basis. Absolutely not in fact.

The US may internally have voted itself the right to pursue and render people the world over, but we do not and should not have to support such unilateral lunacy esp. when it is/will be prone to abuse from sufficiently-bankrolled /en-lawyered private corporations within the US.

'To no one will we sell, to no one deny or delay right or justice.' (Magna Carta - 1215)

THIS 100%!

I CANNOT believe a good majority has voted 'ALWAYS'.
No wonder this country has given up. God help us!

[Mojooo]

In response to these concerns, the Home Secretary Theresa May appointed The Rt Hon. Lord Justice Scott Baker to conduct an official review of the UK's extradition treaties, with the assistance of two independent extradition experts. The review was directed to address evidence standards and whether the US-UK Extradition Treaty is unbalanced[6]. Sir Scott Baker's report was presented to the Home Secretary on September 30, 2011, and concluded that there is no substantial difference in evidence standards, that the treaty is balanced and that there is not "any basis to conclude that extradition from the United Kingdom to the US operates unfairly or oppressively"[7].

Comes with a 500 page report - might have a look tomorrow!

[AJS-]

Leaning towards never, but turn the question around and we would like to the US to cooperate on extraditing criminals who have committed crimes in the UK, so it has to be reciprocal. I would get rid of all this cyber crime nonsense though, and those people who did whatever they did with Exxon.

Violent crimes and high value theft/fraud shouldn't be a problem. And I have no problems with our scum bags or any other facing the death penalty if they have committed a crime in an area where capital punishment prevails.

[greygoose]

fluffnik said:

thehawk said:

If there is clear evidence that a crime has been committed on US soil and people are hiding from this in the UK then I have no problem with extradition.

I'm still against it, even if the US indemnified defence costs, whilst they have Supermax jails and the death penalty.

We won't send foreigners to face other brutal regimes so WTF are we doing sending Citizens to the USA?

I believe the British government has said it would not extradite people to face the death penalty in any country so that option is taken off the table before extradition is applied for.

[fluffnik]

greygoose said:

I believe the British government has said it would not extradite people to face the death penalty in any country so that option is taken off the table before extradition is applied for.

I don't think we should be sending citizens anywhere that has capital punishment ever.

[JMGS4]

The US refuses to send their citizens here, so why should we send ours there?
Equality is something the Yanks just don't understand... the little kids always want it their way....diddums...

[Jackleman]

I'm against it for a variety of reasons.

One thing that really got me recently was how barbaric the legal system is in the States, for a country that is supposed to lead the world they are actually pretty backwards when it comes to their legal system. They lock people up like animals for years at a time without trial in disgusting conditions.

For those that think I'm being unfair, perhaps watch this ...

Louis Theroux Miami Mega Jails...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Px2kTQKZaSU

[caziques]

And of course the US legal system never makes mistakes - and has never put innocent people to death.