Now they really have gone to far.
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As we have always known us motorists pay for everthing in the UK via VED,VAT,fuel duty toll charges blah blah.
It is an unbeliveable headline that due to falls in pump spend the goverment may have to raise duty on fuel by 50%!!
So like diesel it will be MORE expensive to do less miles,so they want us to drive electric noddy cars or 3 cylinder hairdryers but still expect to get the tax spend so will adjust the price accordingly,so what does that mean for the majority with normal cars or the petrol heads with something juicyer?
I find storys like this so draining it actualy is highway robbery!
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"Motorists could face a 50% rise in fuel duty in future years to cover a £13bn hole in Treasury coffers, according to a report.
The gap in public finances will come from increasing use of more fuel-efficient cars and a switch to electric vehicles, the RAC Foundation-commissioned report said."
It is an unbeliveable headline that due to falls in pump spend the goverment may have to raise duty on fuel by 50%!!
So like diesel it will be MORE expensive to do less miles,so they want us to drive electric noddy cars or 3 cylinder hairdryers but still expect to get the tax spend so will adjust the price accordingly,so what does that mean for the majority with normal cars or the petrol heads with something juicyer?
I find storys like this so draining it actualy is highway robbery!
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"Motorists could face a 50% rise in fuel duty in future years to cover a £13bn hole in Treasury coffers, according to a report.
The gap in public finances will come from increasing use of more fuel-efficient cars and a switch to electric vehicles, the RAC Foundation-commissioned report said."
Gary11 said:
As we have always known us motorists pay for everthing in the UK via VED,VAT,fuel duty toll charges blah blah.
It is an unbeliveable headline that due to falls in pump spend the goverment may have to raise duty on fuel by 50%!!
So like diesel it will be MORE expensive to do less miles,so they want us to drive electric noddy cars or 3 cylinder hairdryers but still expect to get the tax spend so will adjust the price accordingly,so what does that mean for the majority with normal cars or the petrol heads with something juicyer?
I find storys like this so draining it actualy is highway robbery!
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"Motorists could face a 50% rise in fuel duty in future years to cover a £13bn hole in Treasury coffers, according to a report.
The gap in public finances will come from increasing use of more fuel-efficient cars and a switch to electric vehicles, the RAC Foundation-commissioned report said."
Isn't this story a prediction of the future 2029 I believe? I wouldn't worry too much. People won't be moving to electric only cars too quickly the cost needs to decrease and the range needs to double to make them viable for the masses.It is an unbeliveable headline that due to falls in pump spend the goverment may have to raise duty on fuel by 50%!!
So like diesel it will be MORE expensive to do less miles,so they want us to drive electric noddy cars or 3 cylinder hairdryers but still expect to get the tax spend so will adjust the price accordingly,so what does that mean for the majority with normal cars or the petrol heads with something juicyer?
I find storys like this so draining it actualy is highway robbery!
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"Motorists could face a 50% rise in fuel duty in future years to cover a £13bn hole in Treasury coffers, according to a report.
The gap in public finances will come from increasing use of more fuel-efficient cars and a switch to electric vehicles, the RAC Foundation-commissioned report said."
BoRED S2upid said:
Isn't this story a prediction of the future 2029 I believe? I wouldn't worry too much. People won't be moving to electric only cars too quickly the cost needs to decrease and the range needs to double to make them viable for the masses.
No bugger will be working come 2029 so we won't need electric cars to go down the dole officeMaths fail.
Fuel duty will be £0.6097 per litre from August.
If your car presently does 40mpg, you pay £0.0692 per mile in duty.
If fuel duty increases by 50% to £0.9146 per litre, and by that time your new car does 60mpg, you will pay - wait for it - £0.0692 per mile in duty.
In other words, it is a consequence of improvements in average fuel economy, and is an incentive for people to buy more fuel-efficient cars. Which is the general idea.
It does mean that old fun cars will cost more to run, but then my last old fun car cost me something like £20 per mile *before* I paid for any fuel, so an extra 51p probably wouldn't have stopped me. Yes, it did 8mpg, depreciated like the proverbial rock kicked off a cliff (I did sell it at the worst possible time) and cost a fortune to maintain - I'm still trying to buy it back at the moment. Any further questions?
Fuel duty will be £0.6097 per litre from August.
If your car presently does 40mpg, you pay £0.0692 per mile in duty.
If fuel duty increases by 50% to £0.9146 per litre, and by that time your new car does 60mpg, you will pay - wait for it - £0.0692 per mile in duty.
In other words, it is a consequence of improvements in average fuel economy, and is an incentive for people to buy more fuel-efficient cars. Which is the general idea.
It does mean that old fun cars will cost more to run, but then my last old fun car cost me something like £20 per mile *before* I paid for any fuel, so an extra 51p probably wouldn't have stopped me. Yes, it did 8mpg, depreciated like the proverbial rock kicked off a cliff (I did sell it at the worst possible time) and cost a fortune to maintain - I'm still trying to buy it back at the moment. Any further questions?
Gary11 said:
As we have always known us motorists pay for everthing in the UK via VED,VAT,fuel duty toll charges blah blah.
It is an unbeliveable headline that due to falls in pump spend the goverment may have to raise duty on fuel by 50%!!
So like diesel it will be MORE expensive to do less miles,so they want us to drive electric noddy cars or 3 cylinder hairdryers but still expect to get the tax spend so will adjust the price accordingly,so what does that mean for the majority with normal cars or the petrol heads with something juicyer?
I find storys like this so draining it actualy is highway robbery!
Quote
"Motorists could face a 50% rise in fuel duty in future years to cover a £13bn hole in Treasury coffers, according to a report.
The gap in public finances will come from increasing use of more fuel-efficient cars and a switch to electric vehicles, the RAC Foundation-commissioned report said."
Normal cars ARE a lot more fuel-efficient now than in the past and will continue to improve.It is an unbeliveable headline that due to falls in pump spend the goverment may have to raise duty on fuel by 50%!!
So like diesel it will be MORE expensive to do less miles,so they want us to drive electric noddy cars or 3 cylinder hairdryers but still expect to get the tax spend so will adjust the price accordingly,so what does that mean for the majority with normal cars or the petrol heads with something juicyer?
I find storys like this so draining it actualy is highway robbery!
Quote
"Motorists could face a 50% rise in fuel duty in future years to cover a £13bn hole in Treasury coffers, according to a report.
The gap in public finances will come from increasing use of more fuel-efficient cars and a switch to electric vehicles, the RAC Foundation-commissioned report said."
As to the juicier cars, it just means more bargains in the classified for us real petrol heads.
964Cup said:
Maths fail.
Fuel duty will be £0.6097 per litre from August.
If your car presently does 40mpg, you pay £0.0692 per mile in duty.
If fuel duty increases by 50% to £0.9146 per litre, and by that time your new car does 60mpg, you will pay - wait for it - £0.0692 per mile in duty.
In other words, it is a consequence of improvements in average fuel economy, and is an incentive for people to buy more fuel-efficient cars. Which is the general idea.
It does mean that old fun cars will cost more to run, but then my last old fun car cost me something like £20 per mile *before* I paid for any fuel, so an extra 51p probably wouldn't have stopped me. Yes, it did 8mpg, depreciated like the proverbial rock kicked off a cliff (I did sell it at the worst possible time) and cost a fortune to maintain - I'm still trying to buy it back at the moment. Any further questions?
Its not a maths fail your theroy only works if we sell our fFuel duty will be £0.6097 per litre from August.
If your car presently does 40mpg, you pay £0.0692 per mile in duty.
If fuel duty increases by 50% to £0.9146 per litre, and by that time your new car does 60mpg, you will pay - wait for it - £0.0692 per mile in duty.
In other words, it is a consequence of improvements in average fuel economy, and is an incentive for people to buy more fuel-efficient cars. Which is the general idea.
It does mean that old fun cars will cost more to run, but then my last old fun car cost me something like £20 per mile *before* I paid for any fuel, so an extra 51p probably wouldn't have stopped me. Yes, it did 8mpg, depreciated like the proverbial rock kicked off a cliff (I did sell it at the worst possible time) and cost a fortune to maintain - I'm still trying to buy it back at the moment. Any further questions?
king pride and joy and buy Nissan micras or smart cars.Quality reply must be a politician.Pesty said:
Am I being thick here.
So people are spending less on fuel because its too expensive.
They put the price up to re coup the money.
doesn't that mean people will spend even less meaning they will still get less money back?
Tesco find people aren't buying enough stuff, so they have a sale. HMRC find that people aren't buying enough petrol (after cranking the price up and bullsSo people are spending less on fuel because its too expensive.
They put the price up to re coup the money.
doesn't that mean people will spend even less meaning they will still get less money back?
tting about global warming etc) so they put the price up some more. Perhaps HMRC would like to do a sale, 2 for 1 on petrol???Willy Nilly said:
Tesco find people aren't buying enough stuff, so they have a sale. HMRC find that people aren't buying enough petrol (after cranking the price up and bullstting about global warming etc) so they put the price up some more. Perhaps HMRC would like to do a sale, 2 for 1 on petrol???
HMRC collect taxes they don't decide the rates.tting about global warming etc) so they put the price up some more. Perhaps HMRC would like to do a sale, 2 for 1 on petrol???The report is for the RAC Foundation so nothing to do with HMRC there either.
Willy Nilly said:
Pesty said:
Am I being thick here.
So people are spending less on fuel because its too expensive.
They put the price up to re coup the money.
doesn't that mean people will spend even less meaning they will still get less money back?
Tesco find people aren't buying enough stuff, so they have a sale. HMRC find that people aren't buying enough petrol (after cranking the price up and bullsSo people are spending less on fuel because its too expensive.
They put the price up to re coup the money.
doesn't that mean people will spend even less meaning they will still get less money back?
tting about global warming etc) so they put the price up some more. Perhaps HMRC would like to do a sale, 2 for 1 on petrol???Fuel for transport is mostly inelastic demand, hence the normal rules for supply/demand impact on prices doesn't fully apply. Same goes for Royal Mail, hence the big stamp price increase recently.
oyster said:
Willy Nilly said:
Pesty said:
Am I being thick here.
So people are spending less on fuel because its too expensive.
They put the price up to re coup the money.
doesn't that mean people will spend even less meaning they will still get less money back?
Tesco find people aren't buying enough stuff, so they have a sale. HMRC find that people aren't buying enough petrol (after cranking the price up and bullsSo people are spending less on fuel because its too expensive.
They put the price up to re coup the money.
doesn't that mean people will spend even less meaning they will still get less money back?
tting about global warming etc) so they put the price up some more. Perhaps HMRC would like to do a sale, 2 for 1 on petrol???Fuel for transport is mostly inelastic demand, hence the normal rules for supply/demand impact on prices doesn't fully apply. Same goes for Royal Mail, hence the big stamp price increase recently.
Gary11 said:
As we have always known us motorists pay for everthing in the UK via VED,VAT,fuel duty toll charges blah blah.
It is an unbeliveable headline that due to falls in pump spend the goverment may have to raise duty on fuel by 50%!!
So like diesel it will be MORE expensive to do less miles,so they want us to drive electric noddy cars or 3 cylinder hairdryers but still expect to get the tax spend so will adjust the price accordingly,so what does that mean for the majority with normal cars or the petrol heads with something juicyer?
I find storys like this so draining it actualy is highway robbery!
Quote
"Motorists could face a 50% rise in fuel duty in future years to cover a £13bn hole in Treasury coffers, according to a report.
The gap in public finances will come from increasing use of more fuel-efficient cars and a switch to electric vehicles, the RAC Foundation-commissioned report said."
Why is it unbelievable that they MAY have to do something? They MAY have to put VAT up to 30% but that's not likely either. These reports are just that: reports. This is one of a myriad the Government will be looking at. not really worth getting upset about. Yet.It is an unbeliveable headline that due to falls in pump spend the goverment may have to raise duty on fuel by 50%!!
So like diesel it will be MORE expensive to do less miles,so they want us to drive electric noddy cars or 3 cylinder hairdryers but still expect to get the tax spend so will adjust the price accordingly,so what does that mean for the majority with normal cars or the petrol heads with something juicyer?
I find storys like this so draining it actualy is highway robbery!
Quote
"Motorists could face a 50% rise in fuel duty in future years to cover a £13bn hole in Treasury coffers, according to a report.
The gap in public finances will come from increasing use of more fuel-efficient cars and a switch to electric vehicles, the RAC Foundation-commissioned report said."
pablo said:
rah rah this is the way its always been this is the way i want it to be forever rah rah dont like change rah rah....
until people stop driving 400 yards to the supermarket or half a mile to take their children to school so it will continue.
Surely if people drove less on short journeys - following the reasoning set out above, rather than any personal opinion - the government would merely put the tax up even more, to cover that shortfall, in addition to the shortfall created by greater fuel efficiency and the switch to electric vehicles?until people stop driving 400 yards to the supermarket or half a mile to take their children to school so it will continue.
Ergo that solution wouldn't really work.
The government has been very hard on emissions. VED is linked to emissions. Company car regulations are linked to emissions. Parking permits in my area are too.
Manufacturers responded by making cars more efficient, (mainly in the tests, in the real world, not so much.)
Users / drivers have responded by driving less, and in more efficient manner. Oddly, the amount of fuel used has a strong relationship with the amount of emissions.
The government has got exactly what it wanted and set out to do, and only now realise the knock on effect this has? Wow.
Manufacturers responded by making cars more efficient, (mainly in the tests, in the real world, not so much.)
Users / drivers have responded by driving less, and in more efficient manner. Oddly, the amount of fuel used has a strong relationship with the amount of emissions.
The government has got exactly what it wanted and set out to do, and only now realise the knock on effect this has? Wow.
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