APR on a PCP deal

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vrsmxtb

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2,002 posts

157 months

Tuesday 13th November 2012
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Is 8.4% representative APR on a 3 year PCP car finance scheme a pretty good rate?

Defcon5

6,186 posts

192 months

Tuesday 13th November 2012
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Isntpcpwhere you rent the car and get the option of purchasing it?

What is the interest being charged on?

Lawrence5

1,253 posts

236 months

Wednesday 14th November 2012
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Depends on the car - my Audi a3 was 5.9% and wife's punto was 0% both 3yrs

Barclayloans are 6.7%, HSBC 6.2% at the mo - so as above really what is the guaranteed future value worth to you ?

Other thing is I got £1k off the list price on the Audi and lisa £2k off the punto as dealers make on selling finance....

MagicalTrevor

6,476 posts

230 months

Wednesday 14th November 2012
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You can often negotiate on the APR. >8% isn't extortionate but it's a little high IMO

MagicalTrevor

6,476 posts

230 months

Wednesday 14th November 2012
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Have you seen the M&S 'Car buying plan' which on car purchases upto £15k the APR is 5.5% APR and you can defer part of the payment (like a PCP).

You can borrow higher but the rate goes up.

vrsmxtb

Original Poster:

2,002 posts

157 months

Wednesday 14th November 2012
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Just looked at that M&S plan and you have to be over 30. I'm 29!

That APR is on around 13.5k over 36 months

MagicalTrevor

6,476 posts

230 months

Wednesday 14th November 2012
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vrsmxtb said:
Just looked at that M&S plan and you have to be over 30. I'm 29!

That APR is on around 13.5k over 36 months
Best start getting older then smile

sidicks

25,218 posts

222 months

Wednesday 14th November 2012
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Defcon5 said:
Isntpcpwhere you rent the car and get the option of purchasing it?

What is the interest being charged on?
Er, the amount you borrow!

Deva Link

26,934 posts

246 months

Wednesday 14th November 2012
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vrsmxtb said:
Is 8.4% representative APR on a 3 year PCP car finance scheme a pretty good rate?
Which car, and is it new or used?

AtticusFinch

27,048 posts

184 months

Wednesday 14th November 2012
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Defcon5 said:
Isntpcpwhere you rent the car and get the option of purchasing it?

What is the interest being charged on?
It's a regulated purchase scheme (like HP with a balloon) not a rental scheme (despite your monthly payments being called rentals)

Guvernator

13,164 posts

166 months

Wednesday 14th November 2012
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It's too high, negotiate and get them to knock it down to nearer the bank rates which is about 6% and if they aren't willing to do that just walk.

AtticusFinch

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184 months

Wednesday 14th November 2012
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Guvernator said:
It's too high, negotiate and get them to knock it down to nearer the bank rates which is about 6% and if they aren't willing to do that just walk.
Compare the flat rate on both not the APR. APR will be distorted because of the Balloon payment. 8. something sounds about right.

Guvernator

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166 months

Wednesday 14th November 2012
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AtticusFinch said:
Guvernator said:
It's too high, negotiate and get them to knock it down to nearer the bank rates which is about 6% and if they aren't willing to do that just walk.
Compare the flat rate on both not the APR. APR will be distorted because of the Balloon payment. 8. something sounds about right.
Fair enough but I've financed cars at 6% APR on PCP deals before so it can be done. Remember they are selling you a car at profit, making money on a trade in if you've got one and they are still making lots of interest even at 6%. Car companies often have a lot more leaway on rates as they are often backing the finance themselves so keep pushing until you get a deal you like or walk.

sidicks

25,218 posts

222 months

Wednesday 14th November 2012
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AtticusFinch said:
Compare the flat rate on both not the APR. APR will be distorted because of the Balloon payment. 8. something sounds about right.
The flat rate is meaningless because it doesn't take into account the timing of payments - the APR is the ONLY way of comparing two quotes to see which offers the best deal!

Depending on the nature of the deal - straight repayment versus PCP - the lowest APR might show a higher 'total cost for credit'. Regardless, the lowest APR represents the best finance deal and anyone that tells you any different doesn't know what they are talking about!!

smile
Sidicks

Edited by sidicks on Wednesday 14th November 21:19

oldnbold

1,280 posts

147 months

Wednesday 14th November 2012
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If its a new car and a manafacturer finance scheme they are probably stuck with the rate and don't have any negotiation possible.

What make is the car?

Lawrence5

1,253 posts

236 months

Thursday 15th November 2012
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Worth looking at hp too - you can hand it back once you've paid more than 50% which gives you a bit of guaranteed future value. Have to check the small print though as I've had what I thought was hp but was a conditional loan.

Most manufacturers are onto the handback think and deposits are typically the amount to shield you paying half before the deal is nearly up....

AtticusFinch

27,048 posts

184 months

Thursday 15th November 2012
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sidicks said:
The flat rate is meaningless because it doesn't take into account the timing of payments - the APR is the ONLY way of comparing two quotes to see which offers the best deal!

Depending on the nature of the deal - straight repayment versus PCP - the lowest APR might show a higher 'total cost for credit'. Regardless, the lowest APR represents the best finance deal and anyone that tells you any different doesn't know what they are talking about!!

smile
Sidicks

Edited by sidicks on Wednesday 14th November 21:19
Your right of course. But if your comparing HP to PCP the APR figs do not translate exactly. A PCP will always have a higher cost of interest than HP based on the same flat rate but the finance package suits some people who want a low monthly payment and ownership is not required.

The best PCP rates are on new cars supported by the manufacturer these "offer" rates are non-negotiable.

sidicks

25,218 posts

222 months

Thursday 15th November 2012
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AtticusFinch said:
Your right of course. But if your comparing HP to PCP the APR figs do not translate exactly.
Yes they do! The APR is the true costs of the money being borrowed - allowing for the timing of payments etc.

AtticusFinch said:
A PCP will always have a higher cost of interest than HP based on the same flat rate but the finance package suits some people who want a low monthly payment and ownership is not required.
Flat rates are irrelevant as they take no account of the time value of money - as such they are [b[meaningless[/b] for comparing loans.

As I explained the APR represents the true costs of interest regardless of the type of finance you are taking on.

AtticusFinch

27,048 posts

184 months

Thursday 15th November 2012
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sidicks said:
AtticusFinch said:
Your right of course. But if your comparing HP to PCP the APR figs do not translate exactly.
Yes they do! The APR is the true costs of the money being borrowed - allowing for the timing of payments etc.

AtticusFinch said:
A PCP will always have a higher cost of interest than HP based on the same flat rate but the finance package suits some people who want a low monthly payment and ownership is not required.
Flat rates are irrelevant as they take no account of the time value of money - as such they are [b[meaningless[/b] for comparing loans.

As I explained the APR represents the true costs of interest regardless of the type of finance you are taking on.
As I said you are right.

However quick calculation flat rate of 5% borrow 10k over 3 yrs cost of loan £1500. Now do the same thing with a PCP? PCP's are more expensive no doubt buit do suit a lot of people.

Deva Link

26,934 posts

246 months

Thursday 15th November 2012
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AtticusFinch said:
However quick calculation flat rate of 5% borrow 10k over 3 yrs cost of loan £1500.
Only if you don't pay the off the principal until the end.

On a normal HP deal with a decreasing balance the interest charge at 5% flat is about half what you said.