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Toilet Duck

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1,329 posts

186 months

Friday 7th December 2012
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Hello all,

I need to glue some small magnets onto the end of a driveshaft (I don't know the technical name for this part, it goes "fat" where it enters the gearbox) for a speedo sensor linked to a digital gear indicator.

What is the "best" type of metal glue or similar that I could use for this application?

The pic below shows the existing magnet/sensor arrangement for the cars speedo, the digital gear indicator requires ideally six magnets or more according to the manufacturer. I can't add them to the current set up as the speedo will over read, I need to copy this set up but on the other drive shaft and use more magnets.



Many thanks in advance!

stevieturbo

17,271 posts

248 months

Friday 7th December 2012
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What type of sensor is it ?

Can you not just just normal ferrous metal teeth and a suitable hall sensor ?

Then the teeth could be tack welded on.

If it really must be magnets, I guess JB Weld and other Epoxy adhesive type products may be best.

Toilet Duck

Original Poster:

1,329 posts

186 months

Friday 7th December 2012
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stevieturbo said:
What type of sensor is it ?

Can you not just just normal ferrous metal teeth and a suitable hall sensor ?

Then the teeth could be tack welded on.
I don't know in all honesty. Its for an Acumen DG8 digital gear indicator, I wired it in but it doesn't work. After speaking to Acumen and re-checking everything, it turns out the problem is the cars speedo signal. The gear indicator needs multiple pulses per revolution, the car this is going on only has the one magnet. Because I don't want to introduce compatibility issues with the gear indicator, I've ordered the Acumen sensor and eight magnets. I don't know how hall sensors work (I should take the time to google it). I don't know what type of sensor the Acumen one is (it should arrive next week), I just know it needs to "see" magnets.

Sorry for not knowing much about the details, I'm alright following a circuit diagram but I don't neccesarily understand how all this electrickery stuff works! smile

Steve_D

13,749 posts

259 months

Friday 7th December 2012
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As long as everything is cleaned and prepared well two pack Araldite will do the job fine.

Steve

stevieturbo

17,271 posts

248 months

Friday 7th December 2012
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What sort of car is it, and does it have any ABS sensors ?

Toilet Duck

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1,329 posts

186 months

Saturday 8th December 2012
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stevieturbo said:
What sort of car is it, and does it have any ABS sensors ?
Its an Ariel Atom, so no ABS sensors I'm afraid!

ssray

1,103 posts

226 months

Sunday 9th December 2012
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Jb weld either the quick or the normal one, work very well

The Black Flash

13,735 posts

199 months

Sunday 9th December 2012
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I've used Wurth (PU Adhesive) on mine, as it's a bit flexible. Going by various kit build diaries, people seem to loose araldited ones quite often, I'm guessing because the surface wasn't prepared properly, or the vibrations cause it to crack and eventually fall off.

Edit - try asking on locostbuilders or other kit car forums, there'll be a wealth of experience with this, as a large number of kits use these sensors.

Turn7

23,638 posts

222 months

Sunday 9th December 2012
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Agree on Araldite not being up to the job. Used it for the same reason as the OP and magnets fell off.

one eyed mick

1,189 posts

162 months

Sunday 9th December 2012
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First attempt with arraldite lasted around 12 months so I refixed after cleaning mor thoroughly still on 7years + [Have I tempted providence?]

DallaraV8

68 posts

147 months

Tuesday 11th December 2012
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Acrylic structural adhesive appears to be the way to go for example http://krayden.allegroconsultants.com/structural-a... This is not cheap 'hobby'glue and 50 ml of Permabond ta459 will set you back 25 quid - should do the job though!

andygtt

8,345 posts

265 months

Tuesday 11th December 2012
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Toilet Duck said:
stevieturbo said:
What sort of car is it, and does it have any ABS sensors ?
Its an Ariel Atom, so no ABS sensors I'm afraid!
that looks similar to the noble box and mine are going into the upright rather than the box side

annodomini2

6,868 posts

252 months

Tuesday 11th December 2012
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Are the CV Joints the standard honda ones?

e.g. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HONDA-CIVIC-2-0-TYPE-R-2...

You can see the abs ring on the CV

SteveSlowboy

40 posts

199 months

Tuesday 11th December 2012
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I used JB weld on mine - after cleaning the CV join body with scotchbrite and thinners. Lasted 60 thousand miles with no problems.

Sir Nick

26 posts

151 months

Mr2Mike

20,143 posts

256 months

Tuesday 16th April 2013
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Chemical metal won't work, it's just polyester body filler with aluminium powder in it so it's not particularly strong.

Epoxy will do the job, but as always 90% of the job is in the preparation. You can't glue anything permanently to a greasy or loose surface. Use the slower setting epoxy as well (e.g. the standard JB Weld), the rapid set ones don't seem to be half as good IME.

cptsideways

13,553 posts

253 months

Tuesday 16th April 2013
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Tiger Seal = Job Done

one eyed mick

1,189 posts

162 months

Wednesday 17th April 2013
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There is nothing wrong with Araldite but every thing Must be clinicaly CLEAN and dry 25k + and still good