Starting after standing

Starting after standing

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robgt

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2,585 posts

164 months

Friday 21st December 2012
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I am always concerned that when you start an engine after the car has been stood a while that when it starts you will have a brief moment when it is starved of oil which could lead to premature wear. Am I correct in saying that by keeping the accelerator floored the engine wont fire but oil will be circulated .

CatalystV12V

724 posts

183 months

Friday 21st December 2012
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Yep... Just discussing this on the BR thread re my V12. Always used the sane technique on my 4.3 too.

F1 NDW

1,116 posts

148 months

Friday 21st December 2012
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robgt said:
I am always concerned that when you start an engine after the car has been stood a while that when it starts you will have a brief moment when it is starved of oil which could lead to premature wear. Am I correct in saying that by keeping the accelerator floored the engine wont fire but oil will be circulated .
I use this method every time I come home after the car has been sat for a month. The engine doesn't fire up and the oil does circulate.

Speedraser

1,658 posts

185 months

Saturday 22nd December 2012
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Yep

hartley

704 posts

201 months

Saturday 22nd December 2012
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Don't you flood the engine ?

V8LM

5,179 posts

211 months

Saturday 22nd December 2012
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No, the opposite in fact. This feature was incorporated as an anti-flood recovery as the engine is turned over but no fuel is injected and is used to clear a flooded engine. It is more useful as stated here as a way to get the oil to circulate and pressure to rise before starting. Works on all Ford ECU controlled engines (so MAYBE NOT on an i6 DB7!).

Push and hold pedal flat to floor (make sure it is!); turn ignition and crank over in 10 second bursts until oil pressure light goes out; turn off ignition fully; then start as usual.


ETA: "and hold"

Edited by V8LM on Saturday 22 December 08:58

DocW

315 posts

144 months

Saturday 22nd December 2012
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Just a minute before my special needs get the better of me, can you tell me if I understand the process? When I start up do I depress the clutch and accelerator (to the floor) then push the ECU fully in and this will increase the oil pressure without starting the engine then when the oil light gos out I then start the car normally. Its early and I know I sound like I shouldn't be allowed to drive but is this right.

V8LM

5,179 posts

211 months

Saturday 22nd December 2012
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Yes - trying to start with the throttle wide-open will turn the engine over but not inject fuel. It is in the manual in the section relating to storage (at least in the Vanquish).

DocW

315 posts

144 months

Saturday 22nd December 2012
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Thanks for that V8LM, you are of course right, its on page 11.34 in "Recommissioning after Storage" in my Vantage user guide. I hadn't read that bit but will use this advice as it will help protect my p & j.

t1blk

778 posts

182 months

Saturday 22nd December 2012
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Ok , so what kind of minimum amount of time stood still would you need to perform this starting proceedure, a week , 2 weeks , a month, and would weather be a factor if kept outside, i.e. would cold reduce the minimum time.............see chaps I can ask bone questions too smile

yeti

10,523 posts

277 months

Saturday 22nd December 2012
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Thing that worries me is whether my battery has enough juice to turn over the engine in 10 second bursts and then fire it up after being left standing...

The only way to find out is to risk killing it frown

LordBretSinclair

4,288 posts

179 months

Saturday 22nd December 2012
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V8LM said:
No, the opposite in fact. This feature was incorporated as an anti-flood recovery as the engine is turned over but no fuel is injected and is used to clear a flooded engine. It is more useful as stated here as a way to get the oil to circulate and pressure to rise before starting. Works on all Ford ECU controlled engines (so MAYBE NOT on an i6 DB7!).

Push and hold pedal flat to floor (make sure it is!); turn ignition and crank over in 10 second bursts until oil pressure light goes out; turn off ignition fully; then start as usual.


ETA: "and hold"

Edited by V8LM on Saturday 22 December 08:58
Can you confirm this would be the correct procedure then on my V12 DB7? Cheers.

Cockernee

3,059 posts

162 months

Saturday 22nd December 2012
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robgt said:
I am always concerned that when you start an engine after the car has been stood a while that when it starts you will have a brief moment when it is starved of oil which could lead to premature wear. Am I correct in saying that by keeping the accelerator floored the engine wont fire but oil will be circulated .
Do it all the time, even after a couple of weeks, if you don't it makes a horrible rattle for 1 or 2 seconds.

V8LM

5,179 posts

211 months

Saturday 22nd December 2012
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LordBretSinclair said:
Can you confirm this would be the correct procedure then on my V12 DB7? Cheers.
V12 DB7 yes.

ETA: Thread on AMOC: http://www.amoc.org/forum/index.php?topic=23044.0


Edited by V8LM on Saturday 22 December 15:00

LordBretSinclair

4,288 posts

179 months

Saturday 22nd December 2012
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Jockman

17,917 posts

162 months

Saturday 22nd December 2012
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LordBretSinclair said:
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You're never too old to learn LBS wink

Happy Christmas !!

robgt

Original Poster:

2,585 posts

164 months

Sunday 23rd December 2012
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2 things, I know that this is going on another thread but . I tried it today, my little V8VS has been languishing in her winter quarters for about a month so I thought I would give it a go.
So foot to the floor, engage or insert ECU , push to go and ,, Nothing but spinning of starter. Did this 3 times . Then double check all was in neutral and fire her up . Feck me she is loud, I do mean loud!! Even Chris was outside the garage barking, Thanks BR , what a car!! got her outside as the sun was making an appearance and gave her a damned good polish aaaand put her back in the garage.


robgt

Original Poster:

2,585 posts

164 months

Sunday 23rd December 2012
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The theory works!
When I were but a lad, my father cut the top off a gallon oil container and left it upside down in a bowl . Some 2 weeks later he showed me that the inside was devoid of any oil. That is our engine cylinder liners! The moral being . Do the starting procedure if your pride and joy has been stood a while

Murph7355

37,849 posts

258 months

Sunday 23rd December 2012
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robgt said:
The theory works!
When I were but a lad, my father cut the top off a gallon oil container and left it upside down in a bowl . Some 2 weeks later he showed me that the inside was devoid of any oil. That is our engine cylinder liners! The moral being . Do the starting procedure if your pride and joy has been stood a while
Modern oils are very different to old mineral oils.

wink

LordBretSinclair

4,288 posts

179 months

Monday 24th December 2012
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Jockman said:
You're never too old to learn LBS wink

Happy Christmas !!
Cheers P,

and seasonal greetings to you and all Astonauts,

I see it's a tad wet in dear old blighty at the moment. We've had a few showers here in St. Lucia today but at least it's 29C hehe