Trade in Values vs Sale Value

Trade in Values vs Sale Value

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BettySwollocks2

Original Poster:

630 posts

159 months

Thursday 10th January 2013
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As a person cuurently trying to sell my Car, I cannot understand how dealers offer 6500 to 8000 for trade in value of my car, when they are for sale at the same dealership for 13000-14500. Are they completely thick and not realise that I can see these cars up for sale? therefore I am not going to accept anything less than the 10500 to 11000 I want for it!

Frustrating is not the word, especially when I want to buy a car from the same dealership youd think they would sort it out!

kambites

67,587 posts

222 months

Thursday 10th January 2013
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Shocking isn't it. How dare they want to make a profit!

If you don't think the service they provide is worth the money they charge, surely you can just sell it privately?

Shmee

7,565 posts

214 months

Thursday 10th January 2013
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kambites said:
Shocking isn't it. How dare they want to make a profit!

If you don't think the service they provide is worth the money they charge, surely you can just sell it privately?
You missed that the OP was happy for the dealership to make a 38% markup on the price; and suggested that higher than this was unreasonable; not that it shouldn't be done, just that it was unreasonable.

LuS1fer

41,140 posts

246 months

Thursday 10th January 2013
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If you can get that for the car then sell it privately and negotiate a discount.

Otherwise your car could sit on the forecourt for months on end plus they have to work in a potential over-valued part-ex, a warranty and getting it up to scratch.

The screen price is not cast in stone and means the dealer can offer a good PX value on a car worth nothing to cement a deal.

It's called business and risk. Ultimately, if they can't sell it, they could even make a loss.

kambites

67,587 posts

222 months

Thursday 10th January 2013
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Shmee said:
You missed that the OP was happy for the dealership to make a 38% markup on the price; and suggested that higher than this was unreasonable; not that it shouldn't be done, just that it was unreasonable.
I understand that and stand by my comment - if the service they're providing isn't worth the price they're asking for it, sell elsewhere. It clearly is worth is for some people because lots of people do trade in.

I dare say the dealer knows what it's doing; if they appealed to everyone that would mean they were charging too little.


I suspect in this case the reason the disparity is so big is precisely that they have others the same on the forecourt. Why would they want to pay good money for another one when they already have some to sell? Also, given that the OP's profile says that he paid 14500 for the car new, I doubt the dealer is actually expecting to sell the one on the forecourt for £14500 at two years old. hehe

Edited by kambites on Thursday 10th January 13:57

S2Mike

3,065 posts

151 months

Thursday 10th January 2013
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Could be worth travelling to another dealer and play one off against the other.
A profit is one thing, hedging the bets with possible warranty claims . ok but £6k is a lot.

Snowboy

8,028 posts

152 months

Thursday 10th January 2013
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Not sure if true....
If a dealer buys a car off you then sells it, they have to add vat.

Probably true...
When they sell it they are bound by soga, so effectively have to guarantee the car fir a few months.

If they have 3 the same as yours they probably don't want another one.

BettySwollocks2

Original Poster:

630 posts

159 months

Thursday 10th January 2013
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I completely understand they want to make a profit but wanting to make almost 80% is shocking in my opinion. I cant sell privately as its financed so no one would touch it unfortunately. the finance is with audi who I am trying to trade in with so I dont see their problem is, they could pay me my 11000 and still make 2500 to 3000 easily, its in great nick, low mileage and just had service and MOT. Tyres all new there is literally nothing they need to do.

BettySwollocks2

Original Poster:

630 posts

159 months

Thursday 10th January 2013
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kambites said:
I suspect in this case the reason the disparity is so big is precisely that they have others the same on the forecourt. Why would they want to pay good money for another one when they already have some to sell? Also, given that the OP's profile says that he paid 14500 for the car new, I doubt the dealer is actually expecting to sell the one on the forecourt for £14500 at two years old. hehe

Edited by kambites on Thursday 10th January 13:57
I didnt pay 14500 new, it was 24600. The ones on the forecourt are also not new.

TA14

12,722 posts

259 months

Thursday 10th January 2013
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kambites said:
Shmee said:
You missed that the OP was happy for the dealership to make a 38% markup on the price; and suggested that higher than this was unreasonable; not that it shouldn't be done, just that it was unreasonable.
I understand that and stand by my comment - if the service they're providing isn't worth the price they're asking for it, sell elsewhere. It clearly is worth is for some people because lots of people do trade in.

I dare say the dealer knows what it's doing; if they appealed to everyone that would mean they were charging too little.

I suspect in this case the reason the disparity is so big is precisely that they have others the same on the forecourt. Why would they want to pay good money for another one when they already have some to sell? Also, given that the OP's profile says that he paid 14500 for the car new, I doubt the dealer is actually expecting to sell the one on the forecourt for £14500 at two years old. hehe
FWIW I think that your original comment was spot on. The dealer is offering a serive and if you don't like the charge then go elsewhere.

kambites

67,587 posts

222 months

Thursday 10th January 2013
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BettySwollocks2 said:
kambites said:
I suspect in this case the reason the disparity is so big is precisely that they have others the same on the forecourt. Why would they want to pay good money for another one when they already have some to sell? Also, given that the OP's profile says that he paid 14500 for the car new, I doubt the dealer is actually expecting to sell the one on the forecourt for £14500 at two years old. hehe
I didnt pay 14500 new, it was 24600. The ones on the forecourt are also not new.
Ah OK. Your profile is out of date then. smile

StormLoaded

889 posts

180 months

Thursday 10th January 2013
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S2Mike said:
Could be worth travelling to another dealer and play one off against the other.
A profit is one thing, hedging the bets with possible warranty claims . ok but £6k is a lot.
my mrs' dealership seems to add on c2k ish, tho prep costs etc need to be taken into account.
Mrs SL used to work for Sytner group, and looking on the system at trade in v's retail, the high end garages used to add on approx £10k for Ferrari's and the like (60/70k+ cars).. i could never afford i just liked to peruse.. regularly!
adding on 6k for a 12k car is excessive!.. maybe they are overstocked and dont really want your car.. which does happen.

va1o

16,032 posts

208 months

Thursday 10th January 2013
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Assuming we are talking about the Fabia VRS TSI, these have been sold new recently for as little as £13,500 (don't tell me about options please - not interested). Based on that £8000 trade would be about right a 2-year old one.

BettySwollocks2

Original Poster:

630 posts

159 months

Thursday 10th January 2013
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kambites said:
BettySwollocks2 said:
kambites said:
I suspect in this case the reason the disparity is so big is precisely that they have others the same on the forecourt. Why would they want to pay good money for another one when they already have some to sell? Also, given that the OP's profile says that he paid 14500 for the car new, I doubt the dealer is actually expecting to sell the one on the forecourt for £14500 at two years old. hehe
I didnt pay 14500 new, it was 24600. The ones on the forecourt are also not new.
Ah OK. Your profile is out of date then. smile
yeah my bad, the VRs went quite quickly, this is an A3 TDI sport 2.0.. unfortunately mileage increase meant i needed a diesel.

Roo

11,503 posts

208 months

Thursday 10th January 2013
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Snowboy said:
Not sure if true....
If a dealer buys a car off you then sells it, they have to add vat.
We pay VAT on the difference between the buying and selling prices irrespective of any expenditure.

BettySwollocks2 said:
I cant sell privately as its financed.
Of course you can.

Snowboy

8,028 posts

152 months

Thursday 10th January 2013
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From their point of view it's a buyers market.

If you bought it from them they know what you paid.
They know what it's worth to them.
They also only have your word it's in great shape.

If you are so sure if its value get a bank loan, pay off the finance then sell it privately.

kambites

67,587 posts

222 months

Thursday 10th January 2013
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Roo said:
We pay VAT on the difference between the buying and selling prices irrespective of any expenditure.
But presumably you don't pay VAT on the expenditure required to get it ready for sale?

TA14

12,722 posts

259 months

Thursday 10th January 2013
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BettySwollocks2 said:
yeah my bad, the VRs went quite quickly, this is an A3 TDI sport 2.0.. unfortunately mileage increase meant i needed a diesel.
Why sell the A3 in less than a year? What year and mileage is it? What do WBAC offer?

sjc

13,968 posts

271 months

Thursday 10th January 2013
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On their sticker prices they have to write in a discount ( say 500-1000 quid),prep costs,warranty(if applicable) and Vat on any sale profit.
I hate MD's with a passion, but threads like this never cease to amaze me how people seem to think these places owe them a favour.
They don't want your car particularly,so they bid low,it's not rocket science.

Roo

11,503 posts

208 months

Thursday 10th January 2013
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kambites said:
Roo said:
We pay VAT on the difference between the buying and selling prices irrespective of any expenditure.
But presumably you don't pay VAT on the expenditure required to get it ready for sale?
All expenditure, if carried out by a VAT registered business, goes through the accounts in exactly the same fashion as any other business.