Bighton & Hove - city wide 20mph limit about to be implement

[willis1337]

http://www.brighton-hove.gov.uk/index.cfm?request=...

Is it just me or is this mental? I suspect it'll be a matter of time before the average speed cameras will be put in for a bit more revenue raising on top of the already high cost of parking (residents and visitors). Thoughts?

[trickywoo]

The parking nazis have been rampant down there for some time. I got a ticket for 20 minutes over a paid ticket at 8pm on a Sunday night on a quiet street recently. The 20 mph thing is just another mad Green party idea.

I'm surprised people still bother driving there.

I'd love the council to get their noses bloodied with a drop in trade but I don't think it'll happen.

[smashing]

willis1337 said:

http://www.brighton-hove.gov.uk/index.cfm?request=...

Is it just me or is this mental? I suspect it'll be a matter of time before the average speed cameras will be put in for a bit more revenue raising on top of the already high cost of parking (residents and visitors). Thoughts?

Meh, if it's anything like Oxford it will be ignored by everyone anyway

[Chicane-UK]

Really fed up with this, along with ever decreasing limits on country roads - down to 50MPH now around most of Warwickshire. When will it end? Why not drop it down to 40MPH? Or 30MPH? That'll save even more lives!

[toppstuff]

smashing said:

willis1337 said:

http://www.brighton-hove.gov.uk/index.cfm?request=...

Is it just me or is this mental? I suspect it'll be a matter of time before the average speed cameras will be put in for a bit more revenue raising on top of the already high cost of parking (residents and visitors). Thoughts?

Meh, if it's anything like Oxford it will be ignored by everyone anyway

I bet it won't be ignored. They will enforce it. Raises revenue.

[willis1337]

They're already cutting any two lane roads down to one lane (room for bus/taxi lanes and cycle lanes or extra wide pavements), so it just needs one vehicle to do the 20mph (or less as it's the max LIMIT) to build up the queue.

[g3org3y]

I don't know what you lot are complaining about - SPEED KILLS.

[JonRB]

Last time I drove into Brighton, the traffic was so appalling that I'd have been happy to have got up to 20mph.

[PurpleMoonlight]

I was in Brighton and noticed the road markings along Grand Avenue. Not many were complying.

From the council:

"The aim of the programme is to improve the street environment for all road users, including car drivers, by reducing the number and severity of collisions and casualties on the city’s roads, improving traffic flows and making the city a safer and better place to live in."

So I guess they will be getting rid of the hundreds of huge black bins on the pavements and double yellow lines then. No?

[willis1337]

From the council website link above:

"8 April 2013, from when the 20mph limit will be legally enforceable. Until then, all current limits remain in place."

I'm therefore "hooning around" at 30mph for another month - hurrah!

[mikial]

Such a depressing picture being painted of Brighton, as a child in the middle of the last century it was a treat to drive down the A23 from South London with mum and dad in his Riley Pathfinder, stay a couple of hours then back home for tea , winkles and prawn salad.
Later , in the sixties join a few other Mods and drive en mass down there, Vespa 150 GS's a couple of the newer 160 Vepsas and the majority Lambretas , 125s , 150s , 175s and a few with the 200 GT , me included,

Through the years the town just got busier and busier, various road schemes were implemented , then came the M25 , by this time my father had moved to Kemp Town and the actual journey into the centre became just plain awful.
After he died I had no reason to return so I've not been there for ten years or more , I still retain the good memories so must be thankful that at least I knew Brightons best epoch, for me at least.

[Pothole]

mikial said:

Such a depressing picture being painted of Brighton, as a child in the middle of the last century it was a treat to drive down the A23 from South London with mum and dad in his Riley Pathfinder, stay a couple of hours then back home for tea , winkles and prawn salad.
Later , in the sixties join a few other Mods and drive en mass down there, Vespa 150 GS's a couple of the newer 160 Vepsas and the majority Lambretas , 125s , 150s , 175s and a few with the 200 GT , me included,

Through the years the town just got busier and busier, various road schemes were implemented , then came the M25 , by this time my father had moved to Kemp Town and the actual journey into the centre became just plain awful.
After he died I had no reason to return so I've not been there for ten years or more , I still retain the good memories so must be thankful that at least I knew Brightons best epoch, for me at least.

Not sure how a 20mph limit or regulated parking (which generally means there is some as people have to move regularly) would shatter your rosy-tinted idyll...

[paranoid airbag]

toppstuff said:

I bet it won't be ignored. They will enforce it. Raises revenue.

Directly contradicted by http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/public/cyclesafety/a...

[mikial]

Pothole said:

mikial said:

Such a depressing picture being painted of Brighton, as a child in the middle of the last century it was a treat to drive down the A23 from South London with mum and dad in his Riley Pathfinder, stay a couple of hours then back home for tea , winkles and prawn salad.
Later , in the sixties join a few other Mods and drive en mass down there, Vespa 150 GS's a couple of the newer 160 Vepsas and the majority Lambretas , 125s , 150s , 175s and a few with the 200 GT , me included,

Through the years the town just got busier and busier, various road schemes were implemented , then came the M25 , by this time my father had moved to Kemp Town and the actual journey into the centre became just plain awful.
After he died I had no reason to return so I've not been there for ten years or more , I still retain the good memories so must be thankful that at least I knew Brightons best epoch, for me at least.

Not sure how a 20mph limit or regulated parking (which generally means there is some as people have to move regularly) would shatter your rosy-tinted idyll...

I thinks it's because my dad loved the place so much he moved there , he also died there .

Your correct of course, just me getting sentimental and maudlin.

[drivin_me_nuts]

it is probably fair to say that the one area that needs this limit is around Grand Parade and North street where the convergence of roads with many buses and a lot of unobservant peoples has proved to be fatal.

The council, traffic management wise at least are proving to be completely incompetent. The cost of parking in the sthole that is London Road is laughably ridiculous and the scheme to fk up Seven Dials for the next nine months show a collective neuronal count that would not threaten a lobotomised cuttlefish.

[toppstuff]

paranoid airbag said:

toppstuff said:

I bet it won't be ignored. They will enforce it. Raises revenue.

Directly contradicted by http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/public/cyclesafety/a...

Police stopped doing this in numbers years ago.

It's all about cameras now. Brighton is an unusual place. There is plenty of Green and Liberal support that will let the motorist be clamped down on,,

[willis1337]

drivin_me_nuts said:

the scheme to fk up Seven Dials for the next nine months show a collective neuronal count that would not threaten a lobotomised cuttlefish.

Quite entertaining today to see the die hard greens (or maybe pistonheaders incognito) camping in one of the trees which is approved for removal (by the green council) to make way for the heavily pedestrian / bicycle friendly (motorised vehicle unfriendly) roundabout scheme. I think they're still up there. Hope they stay there and stop the scheme entirely as the roundabout is one of the rare places in Brighton where traffic still flows (at the moment).

[valiant]

Never mind limiting cars to 20 mph, it's the fking cycling stasi that need reigning in. So much as put a toe in their beloved seafront cycle path (shared with the pavement - non segregated for those that aren't familiar) and the amount of abuse and bell ringing is a spectacle to behold.

I mean it's never busy with daytrippers on the seafront is it? And these self-righteous bds are everywhere ringing their bells for all its worth. bds!


ETA - this is not an anti-cycling rant as I quite happily coexist with them in London. It's just the Brighton lot are a different breed altogether.

Edited by valiant on Thursday 7th March 17:10

[drivin_me_nuts]

... funny you should say that though, they do get very very upset when the police fine them for riding on the seafront further along in hoveactually.

(Aside. Once upon a time the great and good of this once town decided that the A27 on the way in to Brighton needed a welcome sign to introduce the day trippers, random urinators and sarflondongobshytes to this city. So they put up, in big letters

Welcome to Brighton and Hove.


... Which soon got changed to


Welcome to Brighton and Hovel ..


..... which caused some grinding and gnashing of teeth from the Hovelites with a superiority complex


Then it became


Welcome to Brighton and Shovel


....... which many found quite amusing (and the shovel-heads disliked even more)


It then become


Welcome


And now, I do believe someone has knicked all the plants and it's just bare brown earthy loam, plump and ripe for fertilising and injecting fresh life in to.

[paranoid airbag]

valiant said:

Never mind limiting cars to 20 mph, it's the fking cycling stasi that need reigning in. So much as put a toe in their beloved seafront cycle path (shared with the pavement - non segregated for those that aren't familiar) and the amount of abuse and bell ringing is a spectacle to behold.

I mean it's never busy with daytrippers on the seafront is it? And these self-righteous bds are everywhere ringing their bells for all its worth. bds!


ETA - this is not an anti-cycling rant as I quite happily coexist with them in London. It's just the Brighton lot are a different breed altogether.

Edited by valiant on Thursday 7th March 17:10

So in other words, some cyclists' behaviour when asked to share space with (slower) pedestrians is exactly the same as some motorists' behaviour when asked to share space with (slower) cyclists. Who'd've thunk it?

Freeloading pedestrians don't pay road tax anyway