'Stanced' cars - how long will they get away with it?
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Was driving home earlier, and as a general 'car fan' was pleased to see an interesting Mk. 2 VW Polo coming the other way. Clean, tidy, and with a nice paint-job and some tasteful mods, the car looked great.
Until I saw the wheels
The thing had small (like 13 or 14 inch), chrome wheels on it. No problem usually - but it had tyres which were clearly too narrow for the wheels, stretched over the wheel, so that the sidewalls were pulled across at like a 45 degree angle, towards the centre of the wheels.
So far, so iffy - but the most amazing thing of all was that the camber of the wheels was also massively negative, at about 20 to 30 degrees as well!
Hence as the thing drove towards me, of the already small available contact patch from the too-small tyres, the actual contact patch on the road was around half that of the tyres. Basically 50% of the tyres were just up in the air, doing nothing.
We all like a modified car - but this set-up is lethal, no?!
However due to the total lack of Roads Policing now, I wonder how long the t
t had / will get away with driving a car in such a dangerous condition???
Until I saw the wheels
The thing had small (like 13 or 14 inch), chrome wheels on it. No problem usually - but it had tyres which were clearly too narrow for the wheels, stretched over the wheel, so that the sidewalls were pulled across at like a 45 degree angle, towards the centre of the wheels.
So far, so iffy - but the most amazing thing of all was that the camber of the wheels was also massively negative, at about 20 to 30 degrees as well!
Hence as the thing drove towards me, of the already small available contact patch from the too-small tyres, the actual contact patch on the road was around half that of the tyres. Basically 50% of the tyres were just up in the air, doing nothing.
We all like a modified car - but this set-up is lethal, no?!
However due to the total lack of Roads Policing now, I wonder how long the t
t had / will get away with driving a car in such a dangerous condition???This subject seems to keep popping up.
People will get away with it until they get caught, simples. as for wether its right or wrong or dangerous it really doesn't matter as they wont listen to us and probably will continue to do it even after a fine / points on their licenses.
I personally see no reason why you would want to "stance" e.g ruin cars handling. what makes me laugh more is the money these guys (usually) spend is crazy to get big hp figures then slam the car onto floor.
People will get away with it until they get caught, simples. as for wether its right or wrong or dangerous it really doesn't matter as they wont listen to us and probably will continue to do it even after a fine / points on their licenses.
I personally see no reason why you would want to "stance" e.g ruin cars handling. what makes me laugh more is the money these guys (usually) spend is crazy to get big hp figures then slam the car onto floor.
There are a lot of car owners altering their cars without proper care and certainly without informing the authorities or their insurance providers. From the way this is going I cannot see any improvement. The moden attitude seems to be sod the consequences I do what I want. Therefore given the relatively low police interest and manpower for some time. Pity it is as you say obviously unsafe.
http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-new...
Tragic consequences of a badly modded car breaking down then being hit by a biker.
Tragic consequences of a badly modded car breaking down then being hit by a biker.
Johnnytheboy said:
Baryonyx said:
When they start going 3mph over the posted speed limit? Otherwise, there seems to be little done about it.
Exactly. Until an automatic scene camera is invented, the relative lack of traffic police should allow them to thrive.northandy said:
http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-new...
Tragic consequences of a badly modded car breaking down then being hit by a biker.
Ignoring whether you like or dislike the Stanced scene. I don't really worry about it. And if Quebec have banned it then that says more about the tTragic consequences of a badly modded car breaking down then being hit by a biker.
ts in that city tbh. Freedom to modify your car as you see fit (not all Stance cars are death traps) and the removal of that seems a bit off in a democracy. If you aren't dangerous or breaking any rules where's the harm? Live and let live.But am I reading that link right?
- Car breaks down and is stationary in Lane 1.
- Motorcyclist cannot see stationary object and runs straight into it as was not able to stop in time.
- Family of biker blame car owner because his car broke down?
I don't know about illegal in the UK, but they look crap whatever the owners of them think.
Mot standards would still pass them because there is a lower and lower standard becoming acceptable. If a testing station fails a car it 'could' be wrong to do so.
We have to remain a little open minded I suppose. A similar sized car may only have skinny tyres, of the width the subject car has touching the road, so does that mean the subject car is a higher risk than the skinny tyre car? It won't handle as well perhaps, but that isn't part of an mot. It also then, probably isn't illegal. We aren't in Germany thankfully, where everything has to be TUV approved. Nevertheless, it is a stupid modification, but no different to general 'slamming' which is also risky.
Most do not recognise the compromise to suspension and braking when doing it, and are only concerned with styling. Equally, there are those that will put an engine in something that was never designed for it, but more accept that. Why?
Leave them to do it, I like that in this country we are free to restyle for image or performance, but I strongly support the need to make sure the changes are safe in the way they are installed.
My personal hate is the open exhausts, especially on cars that don't perform to suit. They seem to make the most ridiculous noise for far too long (relative ground covered) and I want to crush the cars! That also applied to bikes of small capacity that are so slow to pass but the prats that have made holes in the exhaust think they sound great. My bikes are loud, but are only louder on throttle, and are gone in a flash if I ride that way. The tossers that hack the exhausts about on their 125's take forever to go by. Same with most Corsa's or other ste cars with no actual power, driven by twits that just haven't got a fooking clue.
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Mot standards would still pass them because there is a lower and lower standard becoming acceptable. If a testing station fails a car it 'could' be wrong to do so.
We have to remain a little open minded I suppose. A similar sized car may only have skinny tyres, of the width the subject car has touching the road, so does that mean the subject car is a higher risk than the skinny tyre car? It won't handle as well perhaps, but that isn't part of an mot. It also then, probably isn't illegal. We aren't in Germany thankfully, where everything has to be TUV approved. Nevertheless, it is a stupid modification, but no different to general 'slamming' which is also risky.
Most do not recognise the compromise to suspension and braking when doing it, and are only concerned with styling. Equally, there are those that will put an engine in something that was never designed for it, but more accept that. Why?
Leave them to do it, I like that in this country we are free to restyle for image or performance, but I strongly support the need to make sure the changes are safe in the way they are installed.
My personal hate is the open exhausts, especially on cars that don't perform to suit. They seem to make the most ridiculous noise for far too long (relative ground covered) and I want to crush the cars! That also applied to bikes of small capacity that are so slow to pass but the prats that have made holes in the exhaust think they sound great. My bikes are loud, but are only louder on throttle, and are gone in a flash if I ride that way. The tossers that hack the exhausts about on their 125's take forever to go by. Same with most Corsa's or other s
te cars with no actual power, driven by twits that just haven't got a fooking clue.wooosaaa
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From the description given by the op the tyres clearly cannot be safe or legal given the daft sidewall angles. Most of these nonsense high degree cambered wheels are obviously totally unsafe. Inadequate tread contact etc etc etc. Just ridiculous. Doubtless there are more examples of unsafe modifications on the car. Owners want what they want. Safety is not an issue of interest...... Pity.anonymous said:
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Yea was thinking the same too how the hell is that's the car fault for the biker to hit it surely its the bikers fault for hitting a stationary roads. As for sva well its iva now and that's a totally different thing all together.As for stancing my opinion of it is im not a fan but a small amount of stretch with a small amount of camber is fine in my eyes. Would I go up to an owner of a car with excessive camber or stretch and tell him he's a t
t for doing it no its up to him how to modify his own car.I couldn't really care if he hadn't declared it to his insurance and lets be honest most people have told there insurance companies lies to reduce prices.
I hear a lot on this place on how its so dangerous and should never be allowed but point out 1 case of an incident where either the 2 has caused a serious collision.
Its nothing new though back in the 70s it was the thing to raise the back of the car and put bigger wheels on that ruined the handling or hot rods that were bodged together along with kit cars of the time. Now few cars are modified badly using really dangerous methods most are modified properly in whatever way the owner is going few are bodged to get whatever they are after.
If the police/government start cracking down on this sort of thing they will crack down on car modification across the board so you wont be able to map a car/ fit bigger turbos, better suspension, brakes etc. You start on one and the rest will go the same way so be very careful what you wish for we are lucky we can still modify our car many countries don't allow it.
Escort3500 said:
And for any MoT testers on here, are these sort of mods likely to be picked up at test time?
Tester here, pretty sure there's nothing in the manual I can fail it on, however, I could refuse to test because I feel it's in an unsafe condition or cannot be tested, For example I wouldn't put one in the brake tester because of the angle of tyre, there is the decelerometer but it's my decision if I feel it's safe to drive.VWDaz86 said:
Escort3500 said:
And for any MoT testers on here, are these sort of mods likely to be picked up at test time?
Tester here, pretty sure there's nothing in the manual I can fail it on, however, I could refuse to test because I feel it's in an unsafe condition or cannot be tested, For example I wouldn't put one in the brake tester because of the angle of tyre, there is the decelerometer but it's my decision if I feel it's safe to drive.The police had a few pro-active initiatives here, routinely check pointing and directing 'suitable' cars straight to be MOT tested. Saying that it was fairly ridiculous stuff like kids running about in cars with no springs.
Haven't seen or heard of this for a while though and I don't honestly know how the government MOT centres compare to those on the mainland though.
Haven't seen or heard of this for a while though and I don't honestly know how the government MOT centres compare to those on the mainland though.
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