Where to find a high mileage 997 GT3?
Discussion
Driving a 996T at the moment and adding I do c. 1000 miles per month. I am toying an idea to swap to a GT3 as a long term daily.
Doing the mileage I do, there is no point paying a premium for a low mileage GT3. However, I very rarely see even a normal mileage GT3 (say an average of 10k per year). Do average to high mileage GT3 exist in the second-hand market?
Also, I would like to have PSM as I use the car on public road in all conditions. Does 997.1 GT3 have PSM? If not, I would be looking at a 997.2.
Doing the mileage I do, there is no point paying a premium for a low mileage GT3. However, I very rarely see even a normal mileage GT3 (say an average of 10k per year). Do average to high mileage GT3 exist in the second-hand market?
Also, I would like to have PSM as I use the car on public road in all conditions. Does 997.1 GT3 have PSM? If not, I would be looking at a 997.2.
hygt2 said:
Also, I would like to have PSM as I use the car on public road in all conditions. Does 997.1 GT3 have PSM? If not, I would be looking at a 997.2.
I only have TC on mine, don't think PSM was an option? TBH though, the GT3 is basically a giant go kart so for me (not a pro, just someone who does a few track days every year) it's v easy slide it around a bit and keep it under control. In fact I prefer driving mine in the wet on the road for that reason. I wouldn't make PSM a deal breaker personally - apart from anything it'll cost you another £15k or so to get into a .2 rather than a .1. If anything was a deal breaker for me having a GT3 as a DD, it'd be the seats: I'd make sure it didn't have buckets, or if it did, I'd buy a set of regular seats and swap them when doing DD duties. Buckets are great for hooning, but after a couple of hours and/or consecutive road trip days, the lack of padding get to me.Mario149 said:
hygt2 said:
Also, I would like to have PSM as I use the car on public road in all conditions. Does 997.1 GT3 have PSM? If not, I would be looking at a 997.2.
I only have TC on mine, don't think PSM was an option? TBH though, the GT3 is basically a giant go kart so for me (not a pro, just someone who does a few track days every year) it's v easy slide it around a bit and keep it under control. In fact I prefer driving mine in the wet on the road for that reason. I wouldn't make PSM a deal breaker personally - apart from anything it'll cost you another £15k or so to get into a .2 rather than a .1. If anything was a deal breaker for me having a GT3 as a DD, it'd be the seats: I'd make sure it didn't have buckets, or if it did, I'd buy a set of regular seats and swap them when doing DD duties. Buckets are great for hooning, but after a couple of hours and/or consecutive road trip days, the lack of padding get to me.My worry with the lack of any stability control (rather than traction control) is not that I cannot correct a skid, but rather I don't have the space to correct the skid.
At low speed (under 40 mph), it is relatively easy to control without stability control. Once you are doing 60/70 mph, when a car snap sideways on a country road on a bend (when you least expected), there is not a lot of space to gather everything up WITHIN YOUR LANE. The correction of oversteer is made even more challenging when you are looking at the coming traffic bearing down on you!! (BTW - I know you should not be staring at on-coming traffic when you are skidding, you should be looking at where you want to end up)
A few years ago, in the same weekend Paul Walker got killed, I was in my MR2 (no driver aid) on a drive event when snapped sideways at c.50 mph on a Cambridgeshire fens road in the winter (c. 5 pm, 2 degrees outside, damp and possibly icy) and I had to correct it without over-correcting or fish tailing or spinning. The pressure is pretty tough - 1) with a lorry coming the other way so you cannot cross the centre line, 2) you are following a few cars and another few cars following you , 3) you were not concentrating hard, as you were sure you were not driving too fast for the condition as you have been travelling at the same speed as the cars in front (obviously wrong in hindsight), and 4) the pressure to get it right so not wipe-out both the cars behind and the on-coming if you spin. I really, really do not want to experience that ever again and hence I value stability control systems.
Ouch! I had a similar incident in my 355 several years ago which put the poop up me a bit:
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
That's the only real snap oversteer moment I've had at anything above 30mph (had a few very low speed ones in my 993 when it had rock hard old rears on). On a decent surface the GT3 seems to break away very benignly even at speed, my 993 feels much more skittish despite having a lot less power - interestingly it also breaks away much more sharply than the GT3 at low speed too.
Playing devil's advocate here, if you're driving in the sort of bad conditions where you're realistically worried about the back letting loose at 50mph+, you need to be putting winter tyres on the car and going preventative rather than hoping PSM will save you I reckon. I'd also suggest you might be being a bit too "enthusiastic"! If you're commuting early morning and at night in the winter, you can easily justify having winters on 4 months of the year, plus it'd look pretty hardcore and committed!
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
That's the only real snap oversteer moment I've had at anything above 30mph (had a few very low speed ones in my 993 when it had rock hard old rears on). On a decent surface the GT3 seems to break away very benignly even at speed, my 993 feels much more skittish despite having a lot less power - interestingly it also breaks away much more sharply than the GT3 at low speed too.
Playing devil's advocate here, if you're driving in the sort of bad conditions where you're realistically worried about the back letting loose at 50mph+, you need to be putting winter tyres on the car and going preventative rather than hoping PSM will save you I reckon. I'd also suggest you might be being a bit too "enthusiastic"! If you're commuting early morning and at night in the winter, you can easily justify having winters on 4 months of the year, plus it'd look pretty hardcore and committed!
Mario149 said:
Ouch! I had a similar incident in my 355 several years ago which put the poop up me a bit:
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
That's the only real snap oversteer moment I've had at anything above 30mph (had a few very low speed ones in my 993 when it had rock hard old rears on). On a decent surface the GT3 seems to break away very benignly even at speed, my 993 feels much more skittish despite having a lot less power - interestingly it also breaks away much more sharply than the GT3 at low speed too.
Playing devil's advocate here, if you're driving in the sort of bad conditions where you're realistically worried about the back letting loose at 50mph+, you need to be putting winter tyres on the car and going preventative rather than hoping PSM will save you I reckon. I'd also suggest you might be being a bit too "enthusiastic"! If you're commuting early morning and at night in the winter, you can easily justify having winters on 4 months of the year, plus it'd look pretty hardcore and committed!
+1. My winter daily heck is a 996T and it is on winter tyres.http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
That's the only real snap oversteer moment I've had at anything above 30mph (had a few very low speed ones in my 993 when it had rock hard old rears on). On a decent surface the GT3 seems to break away very benignly even at speed, my 993 feels much more skittish despite having a lot less power - interestingly it also breaks away much more sharply than the GT3 at low speed too.
Playing devil's advocate here, if you're driving in the sort of bad conditions where you're realistically worried about the back letting loose at 50mph+, you need to be putting winter tyres on the car and going preventative rather than hoping PSM will save you I reckon. I'd also suggest you might be being a bit too "enthusiastic"! If you're commuting early morning and at night in the winter, you can easily justify having winters on 4 months of the year, plus it'd look pretty hardcore and committed!
The road was A1123 from Soham towards St. Ives direction. That day was an on-road advanced driving event/gathering where I would let other people to drive my car and vice versa. I thought to bring something more raw (or "less safe", depending on your definition). My MR2 has solid TRD engine and gearbox mounts, polybush/rose joints, and a more aggressive geo. The day has finished and I was just bringing my car home. Making progress but as I had a long day driving other people's cars, I just drive at vaguely the same speed as the cars in front and behind.
My intention is to use the GT3 as my daily, my current winter daily heck 996T will become my wife's daily, and sell her current daily 2003 170k miles W220 S320L CDi (which was my old daily) and buy a 7-seater X5 x40d for when we need to carry more than 2 in the car or when even the winter-tyred GT3 cannot cope in the depth of winter
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