mot failure! but has it!? Advise please!!
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Hi All
our Hyundai i30 has failed its MOT on the drop antiroll bar rubber boots not being sealed
so I got the replacement drop bar, got the car up on stands, and could for the life of me see any issue at all...so I left it be.
so where do I go from here, anyone tried appealing mot decisions?
First thing ill do is call the garage tomorrow morning
but any further advice would be great, cheers rob.
our Hyundai i30 has failed its MOT on the drop antiroll bar rubber boots not being sealed
so I got the replacement drop bar, got the car up on stands, and could for the life of me see any issue at all...so I left it be.
so where do I go from here, anyone tried appealing mot decisions?
First thing ill do is call the garage tomorrow morning
but any further advice would be great, cheers rob.
Go humbly to the MOT station and ask them to point out the reason for failure - can you please get under the car with me and show me exactly, because I have looked and I can't see it. (And you are the god of all things automotive related and I am unworthy but trying to learn).
Had exactly this on a Trooper with an MOT rust failure - turned out it was fictional rust.
Had exactly this on a Trooper with an MOT rust failure - turned out it was fictional rust.
ks. Only one way to find out good call chaps,
so I am booked in tomorrow, and will be attending...
I got the car on the ramps this morning to get a better look, still couldn't find anything.....the issue here is if they are wrong, they have logged my car as unroad worthy even through mot runs out next week...so will be interesting how this pans out...
my dad used to be very hands on with home mechanics, and always did a pre mot check...one year our family polo failed on a split gaiter, not a problem though as the garage could fix it that afternoon...on checking the cut was fresh, and the car had travelled less than a mile to the testing station...dad smelt a rat and never went back....this has always stuck in my mind....although I think this could be a genuine mistake/ error or I'm going to have to visit my friends at specsavers....
I did, also take footage of the part in question to prove its soundness...will report back later...cheers rob.
so I am booked in tomorrow, and will be attending...
I got the car on the ramps this morning to get a better look, still couldn't find anything.....the issue here is if they are wrong, they have logged my car as unroad worthy even through mot runs out next week...so will be interesting how this pans out...
my dad used to be very hands on with home mechanics, and always did a pre mot check...one year our family polo failed on a split gaiter, not a problem though as the garage could fix it that afternoon...on checking the cut was fresh, and the car had travelled less than a mile to the testing station...dad smelt a rat and never went back....this has always stuck in my mind....although I think this could be a genuine mistake/ error or I'm going to have to visit my friends at specsavers....
I did, also take footage of the part in question to prove its soundness...will report back later...cheers rob.
robbieesprit said:
good call chaps,
so I am booked in tomorrow, and will be attending...
I got the car on the ramps this morning to get a better look, still couldn't find anything.....the issue here is if they are wrong, they have logged my car as unroad worthy even through mot runs out next week...so will be interesting how this pans out
The ruling has changed so that once a car has failed that is it. You no longer get the period of the old MOT expiration dateso I am booked in tomorrow, and will be attending...
I got the car on the ramps this morning to get a better look, still couldn't find anything.....the issue here is if they are wrong, they have logged my car as unroad worthy even through mot runs out next week...so will be interesting how this pans out
lexusboy said:
robbieesprit said:
good call chaps,
so I am booked in tomorrow, and will be attending...
I got the car on the ramps this morning to get a better look, still couldn't find anything.....the issue here is if they are wrong, they have logged my car as unroad worthy even through mot runs out next week...so will be interesting how this pans out
The ruling has changed so that once a car has failed that is it. You no longer get the period of the old MOT expiration dateso I am booked in tomorrow, and will be attending...
I got the car on the ramps this morning to get a better look, still couldn't find anything.....the issue here is if they are wrong, they have logged my car as unroad worthy even through mot runs out next week...so will be interesting how this pans out
What you are saying is, I can submit my car one month before mot, with a broken bulb, it fails and I'm now mot-less for the remainder. Can't see it
eltax91 said:
lexusboy said:
robbieesprit said:
good call chaps,
so I am booked in tomorrow, and will be attending...
I got the car on the ramps this morning to get a better look, still couldn't find anything.....the issue here is if they are wrong, they have logged my car as unroad worthy even through mot runs out next week...so will be interesting how this pans out
The ruling has changed so that once a car has failed that is it. You no longer get the period of the old MOT expiration dateso I am booked in tomorrow, and will be attending...
I got the car on the ramps this morning to get a better look, still couldn't find anything.....the issue here is if they are wrong, they have logged my car as unroad worthy even through mot runs out next week...so will be interesting how this pans out
What you are saying is, I can submit my car one month before mot, with a broken bulb, it fails and I'm now mot-less for the remainder. Can't see it
https://www.gov.uk/getting-an-mot/after-the-test
eltax91 said:
eltax91 said:
lexusboy said:
robbieesprit said:
good call chaps,
so I am booked in tomorrow, and will be attending...
I got the car on the ramps this morning to get a better look, still couldn't find anything.....the issue here is if they are wrong, they have logged my car as unroad worthy even through mot runs out next week...so will be interesting how this pans out
The ruling has changed so that once a car has failed that is it. You no longer get the period of the old MOT expiration dateso I am booked in tomorrow, and will be attending...
I got the car on the ramps this morning to get a better look, still couldn't find anything.....the issue here is if they are wrong, they have logged my car as unroad worthy even through mot runs out next week...so will be interesting how this pans out
What you are saying is, I can submit my car one month before mot, with a broken bulb, it fails and I'm now mot-less for the remainder. Can't see it
https://www.gov.uk/getting-an-mot/after-the-test
As from 2015,If a car fails a test it invalidates any current MOT no matter how long it has to expire.
You can legally drive it away for repair and back again for a pre-booked retest.Remember this is a car that has no MOT and could be unsafe? please guys don't come up with bulbs or wiper blades.
So what happens if you have an accident driving a car with no MOT and a mechanical defect. (see the note on the gov link)
Old Merc said:
And it links to this piece of text .gov.uk website said:
Driving a vehicle that’s failed
You can take your vehicle away if your MOT certificate is still valid.
If your MOT has run out you can take your vehicle to:
have the failed defects fixed
a pre-arranged MOT test appointment
In both cases, your vehicle still needs to meet the minimum standards of roadworthiness at all times or you can be fined.
And, in fact, your linked "story" saysYou can take your vehicle away if your MOT certificate is still valid.
If your MOT has run out you can take your vehicle to:
have the failed defects fixed
a pre-arranged MOT test appointment
In both cases, your vehicle still needs to meet the minimum standards of roadworthiness at all times or you can be fined.
journalist said:
Update: February 2016
Since running this story, the DVSA has updated its website again – to say the complete opposite of what it originally said.
It now states: “You can take your vehicle away if your MOT certificate is still valid.”
Seems pretty clear to me. You can still drive it if the old certificate is valid, as long as it meets the minimum roadworthiness standard.Since running this story, the DVSA has updated its website again – to say the complete opposite of what it originally said.
It now states: “You can take your vehicle away if your MOT certificate is still valid.”
AFAIK, nobody has ever found, or produced, a piece of legislation which says that an existing test certificate is automatically rendered invalid because of a fail prior to expiry.
PH : primary sources and reading comprehension matter.
Edited by marshalla on Sunday 3rd April 12:13
Thank you marshalla for your "forensic examination" of the details,but its still confusing and full of holes.
Remember I regularly take cars for testing and I`m going by what the MOT examiner tells me.
When the car fails its logged on the computer so a police NPR will flag it up as having failed the test.They will not be interested in the certificate that says it runs out next week.They will pull you over,check it out,if its unroad worthy you're nicked.
Remember I regularly take cars for testing and I`m going by what the MOT examiner tells me.
When the car fails its logged on the computer so a police NPR will flag it up as having failed the test.They will not be interested in the certificate that says it runs out next week.They will pull you over,check it out,if its unroad worthy you're nicked.
two things here, if the drop link has failed mot on 'sealing' it arguably shouldn't fail, but be a pass and advise, as the tester has to be able to demonstrate it is no longer doing it's job, so if not cut or split, or adrift, how could he prove that if the op went to appeal, which perhaps he should. A friendly approach to the garage is great, but appeal can be rewarding in that the car will pass and fee refunded if successful, plus the garage scored against on the traffic light system which others can see, which will also leave them open to more frequent spot checks
test the 'can I drive my car after a fail with time to run' theory, by going on the gov site to check an mot, if it still shows a valid cert it still shows it.
garages love to threaten you aren't allowed to use your car after a fail, even before any changes as they always got it wrong (for their own gain) and yes vosa did change it to say this (stupidly) but back tracked as indicated.
the focus should be on the life of the certificate and what it means rather than the function of the vehicle, as despite the length of a cert, the car may not be safe at any time during the cert period anyway, so how can someone have the right to shorten the life of a certificate in print for something 'discovered' within this time, I guess why they reverted back.
the car may not be safe when you leave the drive perhaps, for a pre arranged test after an expired cert, yet you can still drive to the test or if it fails to have it repaired which can be home or a hundred miles away.
some people are trying to strike fear into drivers using a poorly interpreted understanding of the rules I suspect and personally would cease doing business with them if providing a service along these lines
they can easily change a cert to say it expires in a year or the next time tested if before, but yet haven't, so the date is valid.
only my 2p of course, you do as you will
test the 'can I drive my car after a fail with time to run' theory, by going on the gov site to check an mot, if it still shows a valid cert it still shows it.
garages love to threaten you aren't allowed to use your car after a fail, even before any changes as they always got it wrong (for their own gain) and yes vosa did change it to say this (stupidly) but back tracked as indicated.
the focus should be on the life of the certificate and what it means rather than the function of the vehicle, as despite the length of a cert, the car may not be safe at any time during the cert period anyway, so how can someone have the right to shorten the life of a certificate in print for something 'discovered' within this time, I guess why they reverted back.
the car may not be safe when you leave the drive perhaps, for a pre arranged test after an expired cert, yet you can still drive to the test or if it fails to have it repaired which can be home or a hundred miles away.
some people are trying to strike fear into drivers using a poorly interpreted understanding of the rules I suspect and personally would cease doing business with them if providing a service along these lines
they can easily change a cert to say it expires in a year or the next time tested if before, but yet haven't, so the date is valid.
only my 2p of course, you do as you will
Old Merc said:
Thank you marshalla for your "forensic examination" of the details,but its still confusing and full of holes.
Remember I regularly take cars for testing and I`m going by what the MOT examiner tells me.
When the car fails its logged on the computer so a police NPR will flag it up as having failed the test.They will not be interested in the certificate that says it runs out next week.They will pull you over,check it out,if its unroad worthy you're nicked.
For one thing ANPR is only updated typically weekly, it's not a live system. The other thing is that failing an MOT doesn't necessarily mean the car is un-roadworthy.Remember I regularly take cars for testing and I`m going by what the MOT examiner tells me.
When the car fails its logged on the computer so a police NPR will flag it up as having failed the test.They will not be interested in the certificate that says it runs out next week.They will pull you over,check it out,if its unroad worthy you're nicked.
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