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Getragdogleg said:
What? Is reading comprehension not a strong point of yours?
Where have I written or implied I agree with violence?
I disagree with it, I also disagree with Owen getting special treatment for this incident. How many other pub fights happened on the same night that just got forgotten or not investigated?
You implied it by stating that both sides 'need each other' to moderate their opinions. One side in this case is violent action. Hard to avoid the conclusion you think violence is justified to keep Jones in check here. Where have I written or implied I agree with violence?
I disagree with it, I also disagree with Owen getting special treatment for this incident. How many other pub fights happened on the same night that just got forgotten or not investigated?
Can I ask whether you thought throwing milkshake at Farage was also justified to moderate his opinion. Did farage need the milkshake?
El stovey said:
But that answer came from 768. You’ve based your view that jones gets special (left wing) treatment on an answer from 768 and then based a whole theory about the left getting special treatment on it.
I'm speculating, nothing more. It would be nice to have a consistent justice system though. Getragdogleg said:
Excuse my ignorance but as far as I was aware it's not common to have your house searched if you have a scuffle with someone even if you get arrested.
Why did the Police have reason to go so far as to look through the blokes property to find this memorabilia.
Not everyone who get arrested will have their place gone through, they must have thought it was worth doing or they were very keen and motivated to get a conviction.
Depends on context surely. If police were investigating if this was a planned, political attack, of course they are going to search accused premises. Given the context of the attack and the allegations it does not seem strange. Having your house searched is not as unusual as you may think. Why did the Police have reason to go so far as to look through the blokes property to find this memorabilia.
Not everyone who get arrested will have their place gone through, they must have thought it was worth doing or they were very keen and motivated to get a conviction.
Was it a 'normal' pub assault, or was there corroborated witness evidence from the scene alleging it may have been a homophobic and politically motivated hate crime?
An everyday bloke getting a black eye for drunken high jinks is going to get less Police attention than a publicly known figure being assaulted, possibly because he was a left leaning homosexual, by someone attached to Far Right (and likely known to the Police).
People like Owen Jones are dangerous and divisive to society, not to mention he's possibly the most annoying person on the planet. However, if I saw him being attacked in the pub, I would reluctantly feel the need to join in with his assailant and make sure they did a good job, whilst shouting "this one's from Maggie"!
I don't see any special treatment that isn't justified here on behalf of the authorities, though.
An everyday bloke getting a black eye for drunken high jinks is going to get less Police attention than a publicly known figure being assaulted, possibly because he was a left leaning homosexual, by someone attached to Far Right (and likely known to the Police).
People like Owen Jones are dangerous and divisive to society, not to mention he's possibly the most annoying person on the planet. However, if I saw him being attacked in the pub, I would reluctantly feel the need to join in with his assailant and make sure they did a good job, whilst shouting "this one's from Maggie"!
I don't see any special treatment that isn't justified here on behalf of the authorities, though.
biggbn said:
Getragdogleg said:
Excuse my ignorance but as far as I was aware it's not common to have your house searched if you have a scuffle with someone even if you get arrested.
Why did the Police have reason to go so far as to look through the blokes property to find this memorabilia.
Not everyone who get arrested will have their place gone through, they must have thought it was worth doing or they were very keen and motivated to get a conviction.
Depends on context surely. If police were investigating if this was a planned, political attack, of course they are going to search accused premises. Given the context of the attack and the allegations it does not seem strange. Having your house searched is not as unusual as you may think. Why did the Police have reason to go so far as to look through the blokes property to find this memorabilia.
Not everyone who get arrested will have their place gone through, they must have thought it was worth doing or they were very keen and motivated to get a conviction.
Substitute "It was because of my political leanings and because I'm a journalist" with "They said it was because I was black and gay".
It seems perfectly sensible that in either scenario the Police might look for evidence.
Presumably the blokes previous record might come into it too.
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hstewie said:
hstewie said: Quite.
Substitute "It was because of my political leanings and because I'm a journalist" with "They said it was because I was black and gay".
It seems perfectly sensible that in either scenario the Police might look for evidence.
Presumably the blokes previous record might come into it too.
Previous will certainly come into it, good points, well made. Substitute "It was because of my political leanings and because I'm a journalist" with "They said it was because I was black and gay".
It seems perfectly sensible that in either scenario the Police might look for evidence.
Presumably the blokes previous record might come into it too.
El stovey said:
But that answer came from 768. You’ve based your view that jones gets special (left wing) treatment on an answer from 768 and then based a whole theory about the left getting special treatment on it.
FWIW, which is nothing really, I was questioning whether he was getting special treatment for being a journalist (if that's even what he is) rather than saying he was, because the poster I replied to seemed to be saying that.janesmith1950 said:
People like Owen Jones are dangerous and divisive to society, not to mention he's possibly the most annoying person on the planet. However, if I saw him being attacked in the pub, I would reluctantly feel the need to join in with his assailant and make sure they did a good job, whilst shouting "this one's from Maggie"!
I don't see any special treatment that isn't justified here on behalf of the authorities, though.
Lol. I don't see any special treatment that isn't justified here on behalf of the authorities, though.
Is it possible to separate the annoying views from the annoying man? Who is the most annoying right wing commentator with whom you largely agree with?
Sambucket said:
Lol.
Is it possible to separate the annoying views from the annoying man? Who is the most annoying right wing commentator with whom you largely agree with?
I can't really think of one, as I'm fairly centre right, so anyone right wing enough to become annoying I don't tend to agree with. You can put that blaggard Farage into this camp.Is it possible to separate the annoying views from the annoying man? Who is the most annoying right wing commentator with whom you largely agree with?
Sambucket said:
Threads like this remind me of why read PH despite being left leaning. To get out of my lefty echo chamber. All my mates think the same so it is refreshing to hear different views such as why it's okay to incite violence against someone with different political views to yourself.
If you want to know why it’s OK to incite violence against those with other political views, ask Owen himself. He’s quite well known for doing just that.
Sambucket said:
Threads like this remind me of why read PH despite being left leaning. To get out of my lefty echo chamber. All my mates think the same so it is refreshing to hear different views such as why it's okay to incite violence against someone with different political views to yourself.
Really? The left wing love a bit of violence when it's against "Tory Scum"Owen Jones proposed violence against "fascists", i.e people who don't hold his views (you only need to search his Twitter account for the number of times he uses the word fascist).
John McDonnell called for "direct action" against Tories. He is on record assaying by direct action he means violence/insurrection, and "direct action" is just being polite.
It's no different to the lefts self righteous indignation at being labelled racist, because they are blind to their own racism.
Edited by 98elise on Friday 17th January 09:10
Gareth79 said:
janesmith1950 said:
someone attached to Far Right (and likely known to the Police)
Indeed - googling the name reveals several convictions for violence, I'm sure there are more that haven't been published.He deserved it anyway
Getragdogleg said:
DeepEnd said:
"It stinks that a white supremacist violent thug has been found out by the police".
Post Brexit NP&E 2020.
A new low.
No. It stinks that a pub fight is being investigated more efficiently than much more serious crimes just because it involves a left wing wind bag. Post Brexit NP&E 2020.
A new low.
It's telling to me that people don't feel comfortable criticising the left in case they feel the wrath of the law yet anyone can say anything about the right and its ignored.
Try it, apparently we have a far right government here right now, criticise them, write what you like about them and nothing will happen. Do the same under a far left government and you will get a knock on the door.
Edit to add; both side of this are bellends, what happened here was a meeting of bellends.
Edited by Getragdogleg on Thursday 16th January 21:31
The other bellend used violence to try and settle a dispute, which our predecessors fought against tyranny to prevent.
The fact you treat them equally is infantile.
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