911 SC how much is she worth?

[nigel911]

I'm thinking about selling my lovely SC. But really do not know what she is worth.

Here's some details:
911 3.0 SC Coupe
Guards red
Brown/tan pasha interior
1983 (A plate)
Original - i.e. no modifications
FSH - by independant Porche dealer for last 9 years
Recent 12K service, 4 new tyres
140K miles, 60K on rebuilt engine.
Generally in very good conition.

Here's the bad stuff:
Heat exchangers gone
Front wings rusty
Gearbox on it's way out.

Dealers have een saying between £5k and £7k without seeing it.

What do you guys think?

Many thanks,

[rubystone]

Blimey, I'd bite the hands off any of those bids, especially the £7k one!!!!!

[Paul Dishman]

nigel911 said:

I'm Here's the bad stuff: Heat exchangers gone Front wings rusty Gearbox on it's way out. Dealers have een saying between £5k and £7k without seeing it.

Problem is, when the dealers do see it the offers will be rapidly revised downwards. Looks like there is a least £2k worth of work to bring it up to scratch. Why not get some estimates for the work needed ? Then you can work out whether its worth you getting it done or just taking the best offer from a dealer.

[poorcardealer]

Needing that work Id say £3-4K is nearer the mark.

[dilbert]

In the right sort of state it'll be worth far more than that.

If you decide to sell it make sure you drive a decent bargain.

Alternatively, spend the money on the parts, and do the work yourself, if you're up to it.

I'm virtually cerain that you're looking at an engine out. Whilst that might sound scary, the way the whole is designed, it's actually a pretty straightforward job.

I've actually seen pictures of an engine out on a 911 done by two people in a field.

>> Edited by dilbert on Monday 21st March 18:57

[rubystone]

dilbert said:

In the right sort of state it'll be worth far more than that.

The truth is that it'll always be worth less that £10k because of its colour and mileage and the presence of 3.2 Carreras.

Don't underestimate the aggravation of teh restoration if you undertake it yourself - the front wings do unbolt of course, but this entails removing the front bumper. Once the wings are off, you may uncover rot in the tub itself (crap sits on the ledge created by the inner wing and can eat through it).

Then you need to get the entire front end of the car painted, and possibly even the sides - depends how good your painter is at blending (and colour differences in red are easy to spot under street lights).

You'll be lucky if you can get the heat exchangers off in isolation - in my experience its more likely that the entire exhaust system will have welded itself to the engine and it'll all have to come off and probably completely replaced.

The engine removal is the easy part. I've done it on my owne with a trolley jack and some tall axle stands.

The trade will know all of this and price the car accordingly...

All IMHO of course :-)

[dilbert]

rubystone said:

dilbert said: In the right sort of state it'll be worth far more than that. The truth is that it'll always be worth less that £10k because of its colour and mileage and the presence of 3.2 Carreras. Don't underestimate the aggravation of teh restoration if you undertake it yourself - the front wings do unbolt of course, but this entails removing the front bumper. Once the wings are off, you may uncover rot in the tub itself (crap sits on the ledge created by the inner wing and can eat through it). Then you need to get the entire front end of the car painted, and possibly even the sides - depends how good your painter is at blending (and colour differences in red are easy to spot under street lights). You'll be lucky if you can get the heat exchangers off in isolation - in my experience its more likely that the entire exhaust system will have welded itself to the engine and it'll all have to come off and probably completely replaced. The engine removal is the easy part. I've done it on my owne with a trolley jack and some tall axle stands. The trade will know all of this and price the car accordingly... All IMHO of course :-)

I'm sorry you think I lied.

There's quite a bit of difference between 3 and 10K though.

Being a plain color it's going to be far easier to get a colour match than if it were say metallic.

I doubt the ol' gal will ever be a concourse example. Just about any rot bucket can be turned into a trackday funmobile.

The truth is that you don't actually need the heat exchangers if you're not worried about being cold. This is not an excuse for a rotten exhaust however.

There is an argument that the SC sold in fewer numbers than the 3.2C, it may just be that in time the former is worth more!

[rubystone]

Delbert, a figure of speech, not suggesting you're a liar . If I were looking for an impact bumper 911, I'd buy a good condition SC over a doggy 3.2. I've owned examples of both (none of which were dogs I hasten to add!!!!!) and in real world motoring, the extra 27 bhp doesn't make the 3.2 any better a car.

But human nature being what it is, most people want the newest example of a car. On the colour front, it's a fact that Guards Red is not a popular colour at the moment.

Finally, it used to be the case with early mechanically injected cars that the heat generated by the exchangers switched off the enrichment function of thh fuel injection. Rotten exchangers caused the engines to run rich and wash the bores, causing engine wear. I'm sure someone will come along and tell us that the LE Jet cars were far more sophisticated and no longer relied on the exchangers for this.

[dilbert]

rubystone said:

Finally, it used to be the case with early mechanically injected cars that the heat generated by the exchangers switched off the enrichment function of thh fuel injection.

I didn't know that. I'll have to commit to memory!


It doesn't sound like it'd be a difficult thing to work around though. It must make the exhaust cheaper?

>> Edited by dilbert on Tuesday 22 March 23:23