Will the Honda PU ever get there?

[HustleRussell]

Interested in peoples thoughts here.

I'm defining 'getting there' as not being the worst current gen PU on the grid- so as things stand that'd mean on the whole equalling or beating the current Renault unit.

Zak Brown described McLaren's position as a 'fork in the road'. Honda could be in for bruising times especially if McLaren manage to dump them.

Personally I feel that the Honda unit may already perform better than the 2016 Ferrari unit in the Sauber (apart from reliability) but I can't see Honda matching any of the current gen competition until 2019 / 2020...

[99dndd]

I don't think we'll see McLaren-Honda next season. Sauber may end up being a works team!

Can't remember who, but somebody on Sky F1's coverage pointed out that they produced 1 win for their 9 seasons' involvement last time round, buying a share of BAR then going all out with their own team.

Alonso's had it and my guess is that he'll be with Porsche's LMP1 team next year.

[Blayney]

By the end of next season - so long as Alonso isn't driving a Honda engined car. It will probably become the engine to have. Such seems to be his luck in the last 10 years!

[stevesingo]

Not unless they change the organisation and purpose of the organisation.

The main effort should be winning, the process should be optimised for this and this only. If you can give some young engineers some experience in the process, then all well and good.

Having a training program which uses process from road car manufacturing where the output is to produce engine for racing cars is never going to deliver results.

[F1GTRUeno]

Not a cat's chance in hell I'd imagine.

They almost seem worse off now than when they came in. The new regulations this season have just highlighted how wrong their direction and working processes are and I suspect the gap is only going to widen as they refuse to employ outsiders so they'll simply be listening to an echo chamber.