Personal savings allowance

Personal savings allowance

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PurpleMoonlight

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22,362 posts

158 months

Saturday 15th July 2017
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I've been looking into this for a colleague. What a typical clusterfk by the Government.

If you are a basic rate tax payer you get a £1000 allowance, if you are a higher rate tax payer you only get £500. The theory being both get a £200 tax saving,

But, the interest you receive is income and itself can carry you into the higher rate threshold. So £1 into the higher rate band can end up costing you £100 in tax!!!

Derek Chevalier

3,942 posts

174 months

Saturday 15th July 2017
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PurpleMoonlight said:
I've been looking into this for a colleague. What a typical clusterfk by the Government.

If you are a basic rate tax payer you get a £1000 allowance, if you are a higher rate tax payer you only get £500. The theory being both get a £200 tax saving,

But, the interest you receive is income and itself can carry you into the higher rate threshold. So £1 into the higher rate band can end up costing you £100 in tax!!!
If they are only just into the higher rate bracket why don't they make sufficient gift aid donations to bring them back under? They can play on their self assessment return (assuming they do it themselves) to work out the exact number if required.


https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/charita...

"You cannot carry gifts forward, but you can carry them back to the year before you actually made them, provided you paid enough tax in that year to cover the basic rate tax both on the gifts for that year and on the gifts carried back. Depending on your circumstances, this might give you tax relief at a higher or lower rate"

Jockman

17,917 posts

161 months

Saturday 15th July 2017
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I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer, Derek but........that appears to be a really useful piece of advice !!

PurpleMoonlight

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22,362 posts

158 months

Saturday 15th July 2017
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Does gift aid have the effect of reducing your income for HMRC purposes though?

Derek Chevalier

3,942 posts

174 months

Sunday 16th July 2017
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PurpleMoonlight said:
Does gift aid have the effect of reducing your income for HMRC purposes though?
If you look at the online self assessment submission, you will see something along the lines of

"How we have worked out your income tax

Your basic rate limit has been increased by £xxx.00 to £xx,xxx.00 for Gift Aid payments.

This reduces the amount of income charged to higher rates of tax."

which, if done correctly, can pull everything back into the lower band

anonymous-user

55 months

Sunday 16th July 2017
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Jockman said:
I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer, Derek but........that appears to be a really useful piece of advice !!
And I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed, but........ with interest rates at c.1% you need a cool 100,000 of cash savings to get anywhere near this "problem".

PurpleMoonlight

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22,362 posts

158 months

Sunday 16th July 2017
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rockin said:
And I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed, but........ with interest rates at c.1% you need a cool 100,000 of cash savings to get anywhere near this "problem".
That's true, but PPI refund interest is 8%.

Derek Chevalier

3,942 posts

174 months

Sunday 16th July 2017
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rockin said:
Jockman said:
I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer, Derek but........that appears to be a really useful piece of advice !!
And I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed, but........ with interest rates at c.1% you need a cool 100,000 of cash savings to get anywhere near this "problem".
Depends which threshold you are near

anonymous-user

55 months

Sunday 16th July 2017
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Derek Chevalier said:
rockin said:
Jockman said:
I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer, Derek but........that appears to be a really useful piece of advice !!
And I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed, but........ with interest rates at c.1% you need a cool 100,000 of cash savings to get anywhere near this "problem".
Depends which threshold you are near
Exactly. What the OP is getting at is if you already have a taxable of £44k then you can earn £1k of interest tax free.

If Howe ever you earn £1001 in interest then, as a higher rate taxpayer, you lose £500 of the tax free savings allowance.