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It seems someone is having a go in the Manchester area - you can leave your comments - I've posted mine (not published) but the only comment so far seems fairly anti - surprisngly as they seem to be part of the Guardian group.
Cheers
Paul
It seems someone is having a go in the Manchester area - you can leave your comments - I've posted mine (not published) but the only comment so far seems fairly anti - surprisngly as they seem to be part of the Guardian group.
Cheers
Paul
Good for him. I bet the Community Concern is that he'll get caught.
"Cameras are only ever installed for public safety reasons at sites which have a history of fatal accidents or serious injuries over the previous three years, along with documented evidence of speeding."
This is simply a lie.
The camera that got me is 0.9 miles from the junction with the accidents (where there never is any monitoring). It is a perfectly straight Dual Carriageway which goes under a bridge with nothing for a mile in either direction.
The reason for the accidents is not speed. It is that HGVs have to turn across a Dual Carriageway to access a Weighbridge ! It's suicidally dangerous.
"Cameras are only ever installed for public safety reasons at sites which have a history of fatal accidents or serious injuries over the previous three years, along with documented evidence of speeding."
This is simply a lie.
The camera that got me is 0.9 miles from the junction with the accidents (where there never is any monitoring). It is a perfectly straight Dual Carriageway which goes under a bridge with nothing for a mile in either direction.
The reason for the accidents is not speed. It is that HGVs have to turn across a Dual Carriageway to access a Weighbridge ! It's suicidally dangerous.
I doubt they'll post mine, as it's too long, so I'll copy it here -
June says - "Ask any bereaved person who has had thier loved one killed by a speeding motorists if they think the death was an"acident" and i know they will say, it was NO ACCIDENT, the driver was speeding."
Emotive justification has no place here - we need slightly more intelligent arguments than "Think of the children".
As a counter-argument, I ask you to consider this - my first speeding ticket was for 34 in a 30, when I was returning from an emergency call at a maternity hospital, where I had just saved a newborn baby's life when it had been born not breathing, and I was on my way back to casualty, to see a boy who was unconscious with a head injury. I was delayed by the police for 15 minutes whilst I was added to the criminal fraternity - how would June have felt if it was her son in A/E?
The truth is that road deaths are generally static, despite the massive proliferation of cameras. Plus, no-one actually gets to debate camera placement - the statistics on accidents and speeding convictions at certain spots are not made public, despite the Freedom of Information Act.
It may surprise people like June to learn that motorists are not a separate species of humanity, but thinking, breathing fathers, mothers and members of the same society she inhabits.
The problem is that blind political dogma and lack of accountability, are seen as far more important features in this landscape of woolly minded soft left political dogma, than the traditional British sense of fair play, debate and discussion, or even a consensus approach (as well as any vestige of democratic process). Speed cameras are a prime example of how New Labour uses the "We know best, so shut up while I shout at you" attitude, to trample underfoot any opposition to their social engineering policies. The current trend to label anyone not "on message" with New labour policies, as guilty until proven innocent, should alarm every single person in this country, and the debate on speed cameras is a metaphor for the silent dissension on many political issues.
June says - "Ask any bereaved person who has had thier loved one killed by a speeding motorists if they think the death was an"acident" and i know they will say, it was NO ACCIDENT, the driver was speeding."
Emotive justification has no place here - we need slightly more intelligent arguments than "Think of the children".
As a counter-argument, I ask you to consider this - my first speeding ticket was for 34 in a 30, when I was returning from an emergency call at a maternity hospital, where I had just saved a newborn baby's life when it had been born not breathing, and I was on my way back to casualty, to see a boy who was unconscious with a head injury. I was delayed by the police for 15 minutes whilst I was added to the criminal fraternity - how would June have felt if it was her son in A/E?
The truth is that road deaths are generally static, despite the massive proliferation of cameras. Plus, no-one actually gets to debate camera placement - the statistics on accidents and speeding convictions at certain spots are not made public, despite the Freedom of Information Act.
It may surprise people like June to learn that motorists are not a separate species of humanity, but thinking, breathing fathers, mothers and members of the same society she inhabits.
The problem is that blind political dogma and lack of accountability, are seen as far more important features in this landscape of woolly minded soft left political dogma, than the traditional British sense of fair play, debate and discussion, or even a consensus approach (as well as any vestige of democratic process). Speed cameras are a prime example of how New Labour uses the "We know best, so shut up while I shout at you" attitude, to trample underfoot any opposition to their social engineering policies. The current trend to label anyone not "on message" with New labour policies, as guilty until proven innocent, should alarm every single person in this country, and the debate on speed cameras is a metaphor for the silent dissension on many political issues.
There ist another Truvelo in Manchester area ... I heard it has been attacked mit "Hard As Nails" und "Fill that Gap" 
und this put it out of action for longer .... Und I also hear from someone who lives near this scam that the only accidents on this road involved a woman who ran across road to catch a bus und man who mounted pavement after suffering heart attack in the car ....
Does not meet criteria - not even the 15% rule of a speeding problem according to the pal who lives in area....
Truvelo ist positioned where each side of road has gradient as well und allegedly out of view on forward face side by bus stop....according to the locals.
>> Edited by WildCat on Thursday 7th April 12:41
und this put it out of action for longer .... Und I also hear from someone who lives near this scam that the only accidents on this road involved a woman who ran across road to catch a bus und man who mounted pavement after suffering heart attack in the car .... Does not meet criteria - not even the 15% rule of a speeding problem according to the pal who lives in area....
Truvelo ist positioned where each side of road has gradient as well und allegedly out of view on forward face side by bus stop....according to the locals.
>> Edited by WildCat on Thursday 7th April 12:41
All the cameras near me are dummy units, I've never even seen the traffic light camera up the road get triggered, not once.
There was a serious accident near me on a hump back bridge a few months ago, a pedestrian was killed by a car driving at high speed over the crest.
People started demanding railings for the footpaths, until I reminded them that railings would only increase the speed of traffic, and that this was about the only serious accident in living memory.
There was a serious accident near me on a hump back bridge a few months ago, a pedestrian was killed by a car driving at high speed over the crest.
People started demanding railings for the footpaths, until I reminded them that railings would only increase the speed of traffic, and that this was about the only serious accident in living memory.
parrot of doom said:
All the cameras near me are dummy units, I've never even seen the traffic light camera up the road get triggered, not once.
You can tell if they are live or not by looking at the back of the camera unit.
There is a switch and two holes.
If the switch is up and the holes are open then there is a camera installed, if the switch is down and the holes are closed then there is no camera.
Or it could be the other way round
I got told this by a retired Police officer. I'll "phone a friend" and get it checked.
tinman0 said:
All the cameras near me are dummy units, I've never even seen the traffic light camera up the road get triggered, not once.
You can tell if they are live or not by looking at the back of the camera unit.
There is a switch and two holes.
If the switch is up and the holes are open then there is a camera installed, if the switch is down and the holes are closed then there is no camera.
Or it could be the other way round
I got told this by a retired Police officer. I'll "phone a friend" and get it checked.
Complete bollox im afraid!
The "switch" isnt. Its an anti vandal cover for the two internal locks.
If theyre not closed it just means the last service crew didnt lock the anti vandal covers.
Disinformations a great thing huh?
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