V5 in child's or dog's Name

[anonymous-user]

This should get the community going.

So, if I was to buy a car and put the V5 into my 18month old daughters name, and then the be caught speeding and she was sent a nip and request for drivers information (who was driving at the time of the offence) she would not be able to offer any information because she talks gibberish?

What would happen?
Do the police have a procedure to charge people who are insured on the car for not providing information or would they have to leave it as the registered keeper is 18 months old and is not accountable?


Tried massive amounts of searching but couldn't find anything close.


Not intending to do this just generally interested for the discussion!

Please see the humour in this and don't winge about criminals (flame suit on)


Eta; what about if I put it in the dogs name

[R11ysf]

Surely whoever filled out the V5 in your daughter's name and posted it off is guilty of fraud. I'm sure by falsely signing the disclaimer at the bottom the person signing is guilty of the offence.

[codenamecueball]

Chances are according to this the DVLA would reject it if they found out.

[SantaBarbara]

Wasn't there a case of a football manager putting shares in the name of his dog once?

Rosie if I remember correctly

[TwigtheWonderkid]

SantaBarbara said:

Wasn't there a case of a football manager putting shares in the name of his dog once?

Rosie if I remember correctly

Football manager called Rosie...unlikely.

If that were to have happened, it sounds like a Harry Redknapp ploy.

[anonymous-user]

codenamecueball said:

Chances are according to this the DVLA would reject it if they found out.

Thats a excellent link thank you!

So if my daughter was 5 years older and she filled it out, what would happen then?

The police on a n.i.p would request information of the driver, failure to provide this information brings a charge in it's self, but surely they couldn't charge someone who is under the age of criminal responsibility and one who doesn't possess a driving licence?

Thanks to all replies so far.

[SantaBarbara]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Football manager called Rosie...unlikely.

If that were to have happened, it sounds like a Harry Redknapp ploy.

Precisely

[anonymous-user]

R11ysf said:

Surely whoever filled out the V5 in your daughter's name and posted it off is guilty of fraud. I'm sure by falsely signing the disclaimer at the bottom the person signing is guilty of the offence.

Excellent point, what is she was 7 years old and filled it out and signed it herself?

[SantaBarbara]

Many companies get the Company Secretary to hold the V5s in his name, but he' does NOT hold a driving licence so he cannot be awarded points

[akirk]

According to that answer it is simply a matter of DVLA policy - which suggests that it is not a matter in law...
there is nothing to stop a minor owning a car (plenty of under-age minors buy cars to run on a farm / restore before hitting 17) - technically every 17 year old is still a minor and can drive a car - and 16 year olds can own / drive tractors, there are also exemptions for 16 year olds to drive a motorcar regarding disabilities and then 16 year olds can ride a moped...

the vehicle owner and the registered keeper do not need to be the same
plenty of options for the non-registered keeper to be insured and presumably an insurance company doesn't require the contract to be signed by over-18 year olds c.f. all those under 18 who might have car insurance.

so unless there is legislation to stop someone under 16 being the registered keeper then your premise is possibly correct

[PAULJ5555]

This has come up before I seem to remember, how the hell can I remember this from 2003 but forget something I was told by the wife 10 mins ago.


Heres the link


https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=44...

[Retroman]

SantaBarbara said:

Many companies get the Company Secretary to hold the V5s in his name, but he' does NOT hold a driving licence so he cannot be awarded points

This is true, but they can be issued with large fines instead.

[donkmeister]

Ok, what about this "what if" that could actually occur in good faith...

Man buys car, sends off V5 etc. Man then lends car to friend but as it's temporary doesn't change registered keeper and friend uses "drive any car" policy.
Friend speeds past a gatso at imprisonment levels of speed as it's outside a school. Man actually dies 5 minutes before offence.
No executor assigned to estate.
Would anyone bother chasing it?
All a bit silly of course, but "will the police follow it up" is what it comes down to. 36mph once in a road that should be a 60, probably not. But flipping vees on a daily basis at 90mph past a school at 4pm, probably yes. NIP wouldn't come into it.

[Who me ?]

DSGbangs said:

This should get the community going.

So, if I was to buy a car and put the V5 into my 18month old daughters name, and then the be caught speeding and she was sent a nip and request for drivers information (who was driving at the time of the offence) she would not be able to offer any information because she talks gibberish?

What would happen?
Do the police have a procedure to charge people who are insured on the car for not providing information or would they have to leave it as the registered keeper is 18 months old and is not accountable?


Tried massive amounts of searching but couldn't find anything close.


Not intending to do this just generally interested for the discussion!

Please see the humour in this and don't winge about criminals (flame suit on)


Eta; what about if I put it in the dogs name

Dogs name- might be a bit WUFF for anyone to deal with.

[anonymous-user]

PAULJ5555 said:

This has come up before I seem to remember, how the hell can I remember this from 2003 but forget something I was told by the wife 10 mins ago.


Heres the link


https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=44...

Excellent link, thank you.

The link posted in that thread includes no information as suggested, although to be fair linked was posted in 2003.

AGT Law where are you

[anonymous-user]

There is a excellent thread here that tells me all I need to know,

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=12...

Case dismissed!

[SantaBarbara]

Harry Redknapp had 200,000 pounds worth of shares in his dogs name to avoid tax iirc

[bad company]

SantaBarbara said:

Harry Redknapp had 200,000 pounds worth of shares in his dogs name to avoid tax iirc

His defence seemed to be that he was too unintelligent to have committed the offence. How on earth did he get away with that?

[TwigtheWonderkid]

bad company said:

SantaBarbara said:

Harry Redknapp had 200,000 pounds worth of shares in his dogs name to avoid tax iirc

His defence seemed to be that he was too unintelligent to have committed the offence. How on earth did he get away with that?

He's on £2m a year at Birmingham City, which after tax, is £2m a year.

[KevinCamaroSS]

Retroman said:

SantaBarbara said:

Many companies get the Company Secretary to hold the V5s in his name, but he' does NOT hold a driving licence so he cannot be awarded points

This is true, but they can be issued with large fines instead.

Actually, technically it is not true. The DVLA would create a record with all the points. If, at some future time, the CoSec applied for a licence it would have those relevant points added.