Any idea what this means?
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Browsing eBay and I see a new bike for sale quite cheaply. Says for spares or repairs only basically. This is in the description. Could anyone explain what this means, is it best to avoid?
"This item was purchased brand new from MV Agusta for £13000 in 2016 but was not supplied with a CoC number so cannot be registered and thus not usable on UK roads. There may be ways around this but I dont have time to explore and would like to sell it"
"This item was purchased brand new from MV Agusta for £13000 in 2016 but was not supplied with a CoC number so cannot be registered and thus not usable on UK roads. There may be ways around this but I dont have time to explore and would like to sell it"
COC = Certificate Of Conformity = Type Approval for sale in the EU.
I'm not sure why a manufacturer would sell a bike without a COC, or why anyone would buy it, but I would infer that you're not likely to get a COC from MV.
That being the case, the only possibilities I can see are putting it through an IVA test and getting a "Q" plate, or rebuilding it using a legit frame and V5C document. It would need to be really cheap, though.
This assumes that you can confirm that it didn't just fall off the back of a lorry before it was entered into the system.
I'm not sure why a manufacturer would sell a bike without a COC, or why anyone would buy it, but I would infer that you're not likely to get a COC from MV.
That being the case, the only possibilities I can see are putting it through an IVA test and getting a "Q" plate, or rebuilding it using a legit frame and V5C document. It would need to be really cheap, though.
This assumes that you can confirm that it didn't just fall off the back of a lorry before it was entered into the system.
Edited by gareth_r on Tuesday 19th September 20:31
Here it is
https://www.ebay.co.uk/i/322741692281
So unusable on UK roads, that it's got a numberplate on it
https://www.ebay.co.uk/i/322741692281
So unusable on UK roads, that it's got a numberplate on it
Sounds like it's one of the batch that were supplied from the dodgy dealer that was in Hampshire.
They were supplied from the factory to the Dealer using a floor plan finance scheme which is not uncommon. Then when it's sold the dealer pays off the finance from the stocking plan and MV release the COC and V55 etc.
As the dodgy dealer took the money but never paid the finance then no documents were released.
The story goes that the dodgy dealer kept the buyers strung along with promises until he went out of business.
The poor buyers technically do not own the bikes as first claim lies with some Italian Finance Co.
A proper mess propagated by a dodgy scummy t
t.
This is the same person currently running a race team that "allegedly" had all their stuff stolen recently.
Sadly the industry still has scoundrels in it.
They were supplied from the factory to the Dealer using a floor plan finance scheme which is not uncommon. Then when it's sold the dealer pays off the finance from the stocking plan and MV release the COC and V55 etc.
As the dodgy dealer took the money but never paid the finance then no documents were released.
The story goes that the dodgy dealer kept the buyers strung along with promises until he went out of business.
The poor buyers technically do not own the bikes as first claim lies with some Italian Finance Co.
A proper mess propagated by a dodgy scummy t
t. This is the same person currently running a race team that "allegedly" had all their stuff stolen recently.
Sadly the industry still has scoundrels in it.
Ohh blimey I know exactly what this is
At the time of owning mine there were two dealers selling these bikes to customers but not paying mv
Customers didn't get log books but the majority never even realised
Said bike shops closed down and alot of problems come from this
Those bikes out there are not paid for, are on a search list and are supposedly known on major track day organisers too
At the time of owning mine there were two dealers selling these bikes to customers but not paying mv
Customers didn't get log books but the majority never even realised
Said bike shops closed down and alot of problems come from this
Those bikes out there are not paid for, are on a search list and are supposedly known on major track day organisers too
Just see the comment from Chipchap as I was writing that post must've been seen just before
Exactly what he said. He's also basically said the dealer too because of the location
I know them very well, did hospitality with them and had my bike major service done
Also got alot of track parts by them for am F3 800...that was one of the dealers though
Exactly what he said. He's also basically said the dealer too because of the location
I know them very well, did hospitality with them and had my bike major service done
Also got alot of track parts by them for am F3 800...that was one of the dealers though
These will likely be part of the MV consignment that 2 MV dealers sold off to customers without paying the Finance off from the Italian finance company 'owner'. They pocketed the cash from buyers and made excuses about delivering them unregistered to their houses etc, but basically without the CoC released by the finance company owner, could not be registered by the dealers or new owners.
I understand legal cases are ongoing and there was an MCN investigation on this too. https://www.pressreader.com/uk/motorcycle-news-uk/...
Hampshire MV went under and the lovely owner recently had a bunch of race spares for BSS team 'stolen' . A friend has first hand experience of this dealer principal's practices...
As others have said - run away. Likely it's someone trying to offload what they paid for but can't use before the bike is legally repossessed to try to recoup some money from these theiving MV dealer scum in question. That or they've bought it cheap and discovered it's not theirs so again passing it on like a hot potato.
I understand legal cases are ongoing and there was an MCN investigation on this too. https://www.pressreader.com/uk/motorcycle-news-uk/...
Hampshire MV went under and the lovely owner recently had a bunch of race spares for BSS team 'stolen' . A friend has first hand experience of this dealer principal's practices...
As others have said - run away. Likely it's someone trying to offload what they paid for but can't use before the bike is legally repossessed to try to recoup some money from these theiving MV dealer scum in question. That or they've bought it cheap and discovered it's not theirs so again passing it on like a hot potato.
Edited by 3DP on Thursday 21st September 17:06
There is a dealer which sells Land Rovers without a COC and it can be legitimate in certain circumstances. These are models built for markets outside the EU (I've seen them for Argentina, Nigeria and various other places) but they can't be registered in the EU as they are missing the required paperwork.
In the case of these bikes it appears they're effectively stolen though, so probably shouldn't be touched...
In the case of these bikes it appears they're effectively stolen though, so probably shouldn't be touched...
Why not just name the company (Hampshire Motorcycles Ltd) and the director (David Tyson) - why so evasive? If he's the genius behind the scheme I'd think there's not much point in trying to be nice about it, is there? That whole theft story does sound well dodgy in light of the previous business practices.
You can say it without speculation or defamation.
David "Dave" Tyson, is a former director of the now dissolved HAMPSHIRE MOTORCYCLES LIMITED, which was affiliated with multiple motorcycle sales businesses in the locality including MV Agusta (see below). He is also a team manager for Mv agusta supersport who allegedly had all their gear stolen in May this year;
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/0895156...
http://www.bikesportnews.com/news/news-detail/thef...
Poor wee lamb.
edit: bad English, "slander" is spoken, "libel" written forms of defamation
David "Dave" Tyson, is a former director of the now dissolved HAMPSHIRE MOTORCYCLES LIMITED, which was affiliated with multiple motorcycle sales businesses in the locality including MV Agusta (see below). He is also a team manager for Mv agusta supersport who allegedly had all their gear stolen in May this year;
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/0895156...
http://www.bikesportnews.com/news/news-detail/thef...
Poor wee lamb.
edit: bad English, "slander" is spoken, "libel" written forms of defamation
Edited by Prof Prolapse on Wednesday 20th September 14:53
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