RE: Scamera partnership not lying: ASA

RE: Scamera partnership not lying: ASA

Friday 15th April 2005

Scamera partnership not lying: ASA

Inattention and tailgating are speed-related


Tailgating is speed-related: official
Tailgating is speed-related: official
The Advertising Standards Authority (ASA) has failed to uphold a complaint by a motoring journalist to a leaflet issued by the Derbyshire Safety Camera Partnership (DSCP).

The text stated as fact that "speeding is the largest contributory factor in road collisions and casualties". The complainant, quoted two Government studies which showed "failure to judge the other person''s path or speed" and "inattention" to be the most common contributory factors in road accidents, challenged the claim.

The ASA didn't uphold the claim because it agreed with the DSCP's wide interpretation of speed's contribution to accidents -- that inattention and tailgating for example were included in the definition of speed-related factors.

In detail

The DSCP argued the speeding claim was taken from reliable sources, quoting a Department of Transport report published in March 2000, "Tomorrow''s Roads - Safer for Everyone", which stated "research has shown that speed is a major contributory factor in about one-third of all road accidents. This means that each year excessive and inappropriate speed helps kill around 1,200 people and to injure over 100,000 more. This is far more than any other single contributor to casualties on our roads".

It said that a report published in 2003 by the Parliamentary Advisory Council for Transport Safety (PACTS) and the Slower Speeds Initiative Briefing, "Speed Cameras - 10 Criticisms and Why They Are Flawed", stated "road safety literature overwhelmingly supports the relationship between speed and both the frequency and severity of crashes. Crash investigations have established that excessive or inappropriate speed is a major contributory factor in at least one-third of all road crashes, making it the single most important contributory factor to casualties on our roads".

The DSCP said one of the reports referred to by the complainant, the Transport Research Laboratory (TRL) Report 323, was frequently misunderstood. It claimed that the TRL had issued a statement in a newsletter in September 2002 that stated that the contribution of speed to road collisions and fatalities had been widely misinterpreted, and that a more relevant report, TRL Report 421, was available.

The DSCP said that report examined the relationship between speed and accidents and in its opinion showed that the contribution of speed was likely to be much greater than the 15 per cent stated in TRL Report 323, if allowance was made for all speed-related factors, such as failure to judge another person's path or speed and following too close.

The ASA reckoned that readers would understand the claim "speeding is the largest contributory factor in road collisions and casualties" to mean that inappropriate or excessive speed was the largest contributory factor in road collisions and casualties, and not breaking the speed limit only.

It understood that some Government reports had identified excessive or inappropriate speed as a major contributory factor in one-third of road crashes and the largest single contributory factor to road casualties. It noted the Department for Transport and the TRL had acknowledged that the total contribution of speed-related factors to road collisions was likely to be greater than that shown in existing reports.

The ASA agreed that there was debate over whether speed was a "major" or the "largest" contributory factor to collisions, but considered that, on balance, research supported the advertisers'' claim. The ASA agreed that the advertisers had sent sufficient evidence to show that speeding was the largest contributory factor in road collisions and casualties, and concluded that the claim had been substantiated and was not misleading.

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stackmonkey

Original Poster:

5,077 posts

250 months

Friday 15th April 2005
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Oh, brilliant. Following the 'logic' of this judgement; if a pedestrian steps out in front of me and is consequently injured, the incident is now 'speed-related' due to their inattention (ie not looking before stepping in front of a moving car).

leosayer

7,308 posts

245 months

Friday 15th April 2005
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I am speechless.

Mudflap

36 posts

232 months

Friday 15th April 2005
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Lies and spin from the job's worth brigade.

Fire99

9,844 posts

230 months

Friday 15th April 2005
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And people wonder why we dont respect or trust the powers of this country when old boloney like that is being spouted about..

Government approach: The driver is always wrong, Speed kills except by Police or politicans (and their friends), Padestrians are liable for nothing..Driving is a Sin.. Enjoyment should be punished..Driving above 70mph on a deserted motorway on a bright sunny day is much worse than Murder, Rape, Assult and burglary...

8 years of 'New' Labour.. Oh what fun its been!!

>> Edited by Fire99 on Friday 15th April 13:36

ed.

2,174 posts

239 months

Friday 15th April 2005
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another supposed independent organisation under the thumb...

superflid

2,254 posts

266 months

Friday 15th April 2005
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The lies continue.

I'm shocked.

victormeldrew

8,293 posts

278 months

Friday 15th April 2005
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?

To say that inattention would infer inappropriate speed would be fine and logical. To suggest that inattentive drivers MUST be speeding therefore speeding IS a major contributory factor is total nonsense.

"Scamera partnership not lying, just as stupid as we are. "

Any chance these ignorant tw*ts might be getting leant on to come up with the "right" conclusions?

>> Edited by victormeldrew on Friday 15th April 13:38

superflid

2,254 posts

266 months

Friday 15th April 2005
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victormeldrew said:
"

Any chance these ignorant tw*ts might be getting leant on to come up with the "right" conclusions?



Absolutely none.

This is just more self-justification from lying cheating scum.

Fire99

9,844 posts

230 months

Friday 15th April 2005
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When will this obsession with speed end?

It is a blatant cash register scheme to punish speeding this way and be seen to be improving road safety..

The quality of British driving as a whole gets worse every year.. More Insurance dodgers and Numberplate cloning on top of that. And drink driving isnt decreasing.. Oh and drug driving is going up.

But hey, lets not spend money having police officers on the roads and stopping people driving badly generally.. ohh no.

Lets bung up lots of high tech devices which can get drivers going over speed limits, make the government look like they're tackling road safety, and they can make money out of the convictions and maybe even reduce the number of cars on the road by motorists with over 12 points on their license..

Government & police work 0 Cash Generated.. ££££££

Im sorry to say if they genuinely cared about peoples lives more than generating cash, they would stop this obsession with speeding convictions and have a decent number of officers (not with conviction targets) on the roads doing what our taxes pay them to do..

Help to Keep our Roads safe!!!!

nickjm

361 posts

231 months

Friday 15th April 2005
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Did someone ask them to explain why, if we have so many cameras on the road dropping peoples speed, the number of deaths has not dropped.

It just goes to show, if you have a car then you are punished, tax on fuel, badly kept roads, money making cameras everywhere.....the list goes on.

victormeldrew

8,293 posts

278 months

Friday 15th April 2005
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VOTE TORY!!!!

nickjm

361 posts

231 months

Friday 15th April 2005
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In fact, it's the camera's that are causing the so-called "inattention". People too busy looking out for them rather than keeping their eyes on the road.

J_S_G

6,177 posts

251 months

Friday 15th April 2005
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Had that new-fangled digital TV channel thingy on last night... BBC's election coverage thingy. Up popped "Veritas" (Robert Kilroy Silk, et al). Nearly cried when he said that asylum seekers (as in "life in danger" - this is actually the case in some circumstances, remember...) can only get in to the UK if qualified. Started have flashbacks to History Channel documentaries on the rise of the Third Reich.

But, on balance, they're actually more likely to get my vote than Labour by a considerable margin. That's just one Hitlerian slip up, after all, compared to the last 8 years of endless dross we've suffered. Come to think of it, stopping valid asylum seekers from getting into the country is far less militaristic than invading another country to basically strip-mine it of natural resources all in the name of "justice"...

victormeldrew

8,293 posts

278 months

Friday 15th April 2005
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No, asylum seekers are just that; they are not refugees until asylum is granted.

telecat

8,528 posts

242 months

Friday 15th April 2005
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I've decided to ask The ASA who i can complain to about themselves.


enquiries@asa.org.uk

lemon yella rs

254 posts

259 months

Friday 15th April 2005
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I would like to ask the asa a simple maths question. Which is the Major part of these two fractions, one third or two thirds.

J_S_G

6,177 posts

251 months

Friday 15th April 2005
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victormeldrew said:
No, asylum seekers are just that; they are not refugees until asylum is granted.

You know what I mean... the fact that people are going to be judged on educational credentials, not how much their life is in danger. Which, to me, is immigration, not asylum seeking...

medicineman

1,726 posts

238 months

Friday 15th April 2005
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Strikes me most accidents are speed related since you have to be travelling at spme sort of speed to have one.

Funny there was no percentage on the excessive v inappropriate bit. So 90% could be caused by inappropriate. If speeding causes accidents why doesn't veryone travelling over the speed limit crash?

sgt^roc

512 posts

250 months

Friday 15th April 2005
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medicineman said:
Strikes me most accidents are speed related since you have to be travelling at spme sort of speed to have one.

Funny there was no percentage on the excessive v inappropriate bit. So 90% could be caused by inappropriate. If speeding causes accidents why doesn't veryone travelling over the speed limit crash?


apparantly 60% of accdents do occur below 30mph

trev r

95 posts

260 months

Friday 15th April 2005
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ed. said:
another supposed independent organisation under the thumb...


Well said that man!

Always pays to look at how an organisation is funded before making an objective decision on its "independentness".