Jules Bianchi Japanese GP 2014 telemetry & GPS Pictures
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DS33TY50CU
No footage of the accident so save to watch.
What I found interesting was the fact it was stated that Bianchi was clearly at fault for speeding during yellow flags when it is clear the drivers with telemetry are clearly doing the same.
Just wanted to post as I had not seen this before.
No footage of the accident so save to watch.
What I found interesting was the fact it was stated that Bianchi was clearly at fault for speeding during yellow flags when it is clear the drivers with telemetry are clearly doing the same.
Just wanted to post as I had not seen this before.
ELUSIVEJIM said:
What I found interesting was the fact it was stated that Bianchi was clearly at fault for speeding during yellow flags when it is clear the drivers with telemetry are clearly doing the same.
Perez said at the time that you do a slight lift under yellow to show that you didn't take the section at full pace, but no one actually slows to a safe pace. It was a universal approach because no one wanted to lose track position.Hakkinen famously used to just raise his hand to acknowledge the flag marshal without lifting off at all. However, just because they were all doing it doesn't make it right. It's just unfortunate that it took an accident like this for the FIA to properly enforce their own rules with the introduction of the Virtual Safety Car.
thegreenhell said:
Hakkinen famously used to just raise his hand to acknowledge the flag marshal without lifting off at all. However, just because they were all doing it doesn't make it right. It's just unfortunate that it took an accident like this for the FIA to properly enforce their own rules with the introduction of the Virtual Safety Car.
I know he did it in Qualifying at Monaco once upon a time (when there was a car going slow on the road ahead) but I really don't think he made a habit of doing it.And at Japan 2014 it was double yellow flags which mean be prepared to stop.
thegreenhell said:
Hakkinen famously used to just raise his hand to acknowledge the flag marshal without lifting off at all. However, just because they were all doing it doesn't make it right. It's just unfortunate that it took an accident like this for the FIA to properly enforce their own rules with the introduction of the Virtual Safety Car.
Quite.I remember Hamilton saying 'well we are under pressure not to lose position by slowing up too much' and another team boss echoed that. (Before the usual suspects jump on me, I am not singling out Hamilton, I know all teams and drivers concur - it was just he was the interview I saw).
I just found that a really disappointing attitude for everyone to have. Marshall's have been injured and killed in racing - and not in ancient history either. Driver's have been injured and killed (as herein is demonstrated.
How difficult is it for these participants to be f
king grown ups about this?! It was the shifting of blame to the culture from the participants that got to me. The competitors control the culture not vice versa. All it took was the group to stand up and say 'no' - we will be f
king adults and respect the safety of our drivers and marshals. But they all decided to shift the blame and say the FIA should control us better.It annoyed me rather.
It's hard to blame a driver for lifting off as much (or as little) as every other driver for the last 15 years has lifted.
It doesn't make it right, but it does make it excusable.
It's sad that it cost a life before progress could be made but that seems to be the way motorsport works sometimes.
It doesn't make it right, but it does make it excusable.
It's sad that it cost a life before progress could be made but that seems to be the way motorsport works sometimes.
99dndd said:
It's hard to blame a driver for lifting off as much (or as little) as every other driver for the last 15 years has lifted.
It doesn't make it right, but it does make it excusable.
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If you treat them as a collective being responsible for making a grown up choice about the safety of others it isn't - in my opinionIt doesn't make it right, but it does make it excusable.
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I certainly does not make it right but when everyone was doing it you had the pressure to follow suit.
Just imagine being a driver in F1 and managing to extract a 10th here and there on your rivals only to then lose 5-10 seconds on slowing down for a yellow flag when the rest are not. It would cost you a chance of a better position and perhaps even your race seat.
It should have been dealt with as soon as the first driver who didn't lift correctly in a yellow flag area but alas it was allowed to continue.
F1 is about finding the advantage over your rivals whatever the cost.
Just imagine being a driver in F1 and managing to extract a 10th here and there on your rivals only to then lose 5-10 seconds on slowing down for a yellow flag when the rest are not. It would cost you a chance of a better position and perhaps even your race seat.
It should have been dealt with as soon as the first driver who didn't lift correctly in a yellow flag area but alas it was allowed to continue.
F1 is about finding the advantage over your rivals whatever the cost.
Vocal Minority said:
If you treat them as a collective being responsible for making a grown up choice about the safety of others it isn't - in my opinion
Would agree with the collective not being excusable but certainly excusable for 1 driver going along with the collective.Race officials were letting drivers get away with it for decades and it could have been stamped out so easily.
I think it was Brundle who mentioned that in the wet, sometimes lifting is the last thing you need to do as you want maximum downforce for the wet weather tyres to work. Less speed, less downforce and the tyres stop working - but the trouble is that this only applies on some corners and in some situations and not others.
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