Road deaths rise despite record speed camera fines

Road deaths rise despite record speed camera fines

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Mon Ami Mate

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6,589 posts

269 months

Wednesday 27th April 2005
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Road deaths rise despite record speed camera fines
By Ben Webster, Transport Correspondent



SPEED cameras are catching a record number of drivers, but road deaths are at the highest level for seven years.
Almost 1.8 million speeding offences were detected by cameras in 2003, up 44 per cent on 2002. Road deaths rose slightly to 3,508.



The RAC Foundation called for a review of the Government’s road safety strategy.

Motoring offences of all kinds rose in 2003 by 15 per cent to 13.2 million, the highest number on record. More than half the offences involved breaches of parking restrictions. The Home Office figures show that police are increasingly more likely to issue penalties instead of written warnings for less serious offences. Only 6,000 written warnings for speeding were issued in 2003, compared with 35,000 in 1997.

This tends to support the view of motoring groups that cameras offer no opportunity for police to exercise discretion by issuing a warning to those drivers who drift over the limit.

The doubling in speeding offences between 2001 and 2003 was directly linked to the creation of speed camera partnerships in almost every police force area over that period. The partnerships are allowed to keep a proportion of the income from speeding fines to pay the costs of greater camera enforcement. There are now more than 6,000 speed camera sites and the yellow boxes are far more likely to contain live cameras.

The number of breath tests fell in 2003 to its lowest for a decade, but the number of people killed in drink-drive crashes was the highest for seven years. Only 534,000 breath tests were carried out, compared with 800,000 in 1997. There were 560 drink-drive deaths.

Edmund King, director of the RAC Foundation, said that fewer traffic police meant that the most dangerous drivers, including those on drink or drugs, were less likely to be caught: “If cameras are working, why are overall deaths rising? We need a review of road safety policy to challenge the false assumption that speed is always the most important factor.”

The AA Motoring Trust said that the low number of people disqualified under the “totting up rule” indicated that speed cameras were working.

www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,172-1587166,00.html

superflid

2,254 posts

266 months

Wednesday 27th April 2005
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Mon Ami Mate said:

The AA Motoring Trust said that the low number of people disqualified under the “totting up rule” indicated that speed cameras were working.

www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,172-1587166,00.html



So people scared shitless of losing their licence/job/home etc are driving slower.
Deaths continue to rise.

Can someone from the AA please explain to me how speed cameras "are working".

TripleS

4,294 posts

243 months

Wednesday 27th April 2005
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It seems clear to me that the AA and the RAC are not taking the same attitude to this.

The AA are once again supporting the government line, and the RAC are in general being rather more sensible in their pronoucements on the subject.

Best wishes all,
Dave.

streaky

19,311 posts

250 months

Wednesday 27th April 2005
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TripleS said:
It seems clear to me that the AA and the RAC are not taking the same attitude to this.

The AA are once again supporting the government line, and the RAC are in general being rather more sensible in their pronoucements on the subject.

Best wishes all,
Dave.
There seems to be a difference (above and previously) between pronouncements from the AA and those from the AA Motoring Trust - Streaky

deltafox

3,839 posts

233 months

Wednesday 27th April 2005
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Just sent em this:

Dear Sir,
I require an explanation for the following:

"SPEED cameras are catching a record number of drivers, but road deaths are at the highest level for seven years.
Almost 1.8 million speeding offences were detected by cameras in 2003, up 44 per cent on 2002. Road deaths rose slightly to 3,508."

Reported from "Timesonline".

The AA then say: "The AA Motoring Trust said that the low number of people disqualified under the “totting up rule” indicated that speed cameras were working. "

How are they "working"? DEATHS are UP. Thats a failure not a success!
Remember, theyre supposed to be "Safety cameras" yet your criteria for measurement seems to be fine numbers and disqualifications instead of lower deaths!!!!

Clarify your position!!!
Regards

superflid

2,254 posts

266 months

Wednesday 27th April 2005
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Nice.

puggit

48,488 posts

249 months

Wednesday 27th April 2005
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Front page of today's Express - "Road Camera Fines are Soaring".

No online report yet...

james_j

3,996 posts

256 months

Wednesday 27th April 2005
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deltafox said:
Just sent em this:

Dear Sir,
I require an explanation for the following:

"SPEED cameras are catching a record number of drivers, but road deaths are at the highest level for seven years.
Almost 1.8 million speeding offences were detected by cameras in 2003, up 44 per cent on 2002. Road deaths rose slightly to 3,508."

Reported from "Timesonline".

The AA then say: "The AA Motoring Trust said that the low number of people disqualified under the “totting up rule” indicated that speed cameras were working. "

How are they "working"? DEATHS are UP. Thats a failure not a success!
Remember, theyre supposed to be "Safety cameras" yet your criteria for measurement seems to be fine numbers and disqualifications instead of lower deaths!!!!

Clarify your position!!!
Regards



I've written to these fools a number of times, as well as to similar groups.

In every case the response is the same.

Silence.

I wonder why.