Genuine question about Muslims and trees..
Discussion
Sway said:
unsprung said:
Sway said:
I don't necessarily disagree - I just always find it amusing how vocal Americans (and more noticeably emigrants to America) are about the freedom in the States, whilst ignoring how massively authoritative and conformist it is.
to me your argument has a studenty flavour
Perhaps more of my kids has rubbed off on me than the other way around...
However, surely you can see the cognitive dissonance in 'the Land of the Free' whilst fining people for not cleaning up their front yard?
but I did believe that the argument was a bit Islington dinner party -- and the host's 17-year-old has decided that the table, or rather I, require a talking to about that Dickensian Stalag otherwise known as the United States of Avarice
in short, I'd say that the dissonance you cite is a matter of context: when the property rights of others are involved, one's own rights and one's own responsibilities are amended
civility and all that; something which I believe was imported, along with a number of clever English-speaking people, some time ago
We’ve just sold my parents bungalow after the death of my Father and my mother moving in with us. They had owned it since new nearly 50 years ago
Their house was in what was once one of the nicest parts of Blackburn
I remember growing up there and it was all perfectly manicured lawns, car being washed on Sunday mornings .. and all cars being parked on the drives or garaged etc
And, being the 70’s probably lots of pampas grass !
Now, the same area is very shabby, most of the gardens have been paved over, many of the houses have been extended .. some are double and more their original size .. and nobody parks their cars on their drives ( or paved over lawns ) let alone in their garages
Those gardens that haven’t been paved are often overgrown and unkempt
I thought we’d have a hard job selling it tbf ... how wrong could I have been .. sold it twice .. overnight ( 1st sale fell through )
The estate agent said that the last 5 bungalows sold in the area had all had planning apps on them as soon as possible after the sale .. to double their size and turn them into houses .. I expect my parents lovingly cherished small bungalow will soon be a 5+ bedroom house
Almost all the sellers are elderly whites and almost all the buyers are Asian
I find it quite sad .. but times and people change
Their house was in what was once one of the nicest parts of Blackburn
I remember growing up there and it was all perfectly manicured lawns, car being washed on Sunday mornings .. and all cars being parked on the drives or garaged etc
And, being the 70’s probably lots of pampas grass !
Now, the same area is very shabby, most of the gardens have been paved over, many of the houses have been extended .. some are double and more their original size .. and nobody parks their cars on their drives ( or paved over lawns ) let alone in their garages
Those gardens that haven’t been paved are often overgrown and unkempt
I thought we’d have a hard job selling it tbf ... how wrong could I have been .. sold it twice .. overnight ( 1st sale fell through )
The estate agent said that the last 5 bungalows sold in the area had all had planning apps on them as soon as possible after the sale .. to double their size and turn them into houses .. I expect my parents lovingly cherished small bungalow will soon be a 5+ bedroom house
Almost all the sellers are elderly whites and almost all the buyers are Asian
I find it quite sad .. but times and people change
Ilovejapcrap said:
Shay HTFC said:
trees and greenery are essentially completely removed, and in go paving slabs and gravel,
I actually wonder why more people dont do this, instead struggling to park on the street!
my mates just moved to a house huge back garden single width drive at front and has a tiny bit of front lawn, I said I'd just block pave that as well and get two cars side by side, instead he struggles to park on the street along with all his neighbors doing the same thing, looks far worse than a tree missing.
We’ve just sold my parents bungalow after the death of my Father and my mother moving in with us. They had owned it since new nearly 50 years ago
Their house was in what was once one of the nicest parts of Blackburn
I remember growing up there and it was all perfectly manicured lawns, car being washed on Sunday mornings .. and all cars being parked on the drives or garaged etc
And, being the 70’s probably lots of pampas grass !
Now, the same area is very shabby, most of the gardens have been paved over, many of the houses have been extended .. some are double and more their original size .. and nobody parks their cars on their drives ( or paved over lawns ) let alone in their garages
Those gardens that haven’t been paved are often overgrown and unkempt
I thought we’d have a hard job selling it tbf ... how wrong could I have been .. sold it twice .. overnight ( 1st sale fell through )
The estate agent said that the last 5 bungalows sold in the area had all had planning apps on them as soon as possible after the sale .. to double their size and turn them into houses .. I expect my parents lovingly cherished small bungalow will soon be a 5+ bedroom house
Almost all the sellers are elderly whites and almost all the buyers are Asian
I find it quite sad .. but times and people change
Their house was in what was once one of the nicest parts of Blackburn
I remember growing up there and it was all perfectly manicured lawns, car being washed on Sunday mornings .. and all cars being parked on the drives or garaged etc
And, being the 70’s probably lots of pampas grass !
Now, the same area is very shabby, most of the gardens have been paved over, many of the houses have been extended .. some are double and more their original size .. and nobody parks their cars on their drives ( or paved over lawns ) let alone in their garages
Those gardens that haven’t been paved are often overgrown and unkempt
I thought we’d have a hard job selling it tbf ... how wrong could I have been .. sold it twice .. overnight ( 1st sale fell through )
The estate agent said that the last 5 bungalows sold in the area had all had planning apps on them as soon as possible after the sale .. to double their size and turn them into houses .. I expect my parents lovingly cherished small bungalow will soon be a 5+ bedroom house
Almost all the sellers are elderly whites and almost all the buyers are Asian
I find it quite sad .. but times and people change
Sway said:
I don't necessarily disagree - I just always find it amusing how vocal Americans (and more noticeably emigrants to America) are about the freedom in the States, whilst ignoring how massively authoritative and conformist it is.
You're free to live in a sh*thole. You're neighbors are free to do something about it if you try to turn their habitat into one. It's all about personal responsibility. If you want to live that way, move to a neighborhood where everybody does it. The homes will be cheaper and you'll pay less in property taxes.It's a cultural thing.
2-3 generations tend to live in the same household (typically less likely to move out, and instead stay at home to look after parents/grandparents).
Tthus meaning a greater number of vehicles, which require more space for parking, so out go the trees/grass and in goes the tarmac/block paving.
2-3 generations tend to live in the same household (typically less likely to move out, and instead stay at home to look after parents/grandparents).
Tthus meaning a greater number of vehicles, which require more space for parking, so out go the trees/grass and in goes the tarmac/block paving.
Rewe said:
I think I may be missing a subtle joke here but I can't work out what it is!
How do you know that all/any of the families have a faith?
When someone inevitably makes a post like this, ai can’t work out if they are disingenuous, or just thick.How do you know that all/any of the families have a faith?
The idea that most Muslims in the U.K. are not generally identifiable by custom, dress, or practice is just bizarre.
Perhaps you assume that second generation Pakistani immigrants tend to be mainly from the 3%of their countrymen who are not Muslim? Maybe you think neck beards and hijabs are the fashion statement amongst atheists and Presbyterians this year, or maybe you are just trying to be a dick.
Seriously, you think in the UK you are going to come across a large group of immigrants from ai dis, Pakistan or Bangladesh and they might mainly be a religion other than Muslim?
Ilovejapcrap said:
I actually wonder why more people dont do this, instead struggling to park on the street!
my mates just moved to a house huge back garden single width drive at front and has a tiny bit of front lawn, I said I'd just block pave that as well and get two cars side by side, instead he struggles to park on the street along with all his neighbors doing the same thing, looks far worse than a tree missing.
James_B said:
When someone inevitably makes a post like this, ai can’t work out if they are disingenuous, or just thick.
The idea that most Muslims in the U.K. are not generally identifiable by custom, dress, or practice is just bizarre.
Perhaps you assume that second generation Pakistani immigrants tend to be mainly from the 3%of their countrymen who are not Muslim? Maybe you think neck beards and hijabs are the fashion statement amongst atheists and Presbyterians this year, or maybe you are just trying to be a dick.
Seriously, you think in the UK you are going to come across a large group of immigrants from ai dis, Pakistan or Bangladesh and they might mainly be a religion other than Muslim?
What is genuinely bizarre is supposedly intelligent people thinking muslims have something against trees.......The idea that most Muslims in the U.K. are not generally identifiable by custom, dress, or practice is just bizarre.
Perhaps you assume that second generation Pakistani immigrants tend to be mainly from the 3%of their countrymen who are not Muslim? Maybe you think neck beards and hijabs are the fashion statement amongst atheists and Presbyterians this year, or maybe you are just trying to be a dick.
Seriously, you think in the UK you are going to come across a large group of immigrants from ai dis, Pakistan or Bangladesh and they might mainly be a religion other than Muslim?
Countdown said:
What is genuinely bizarre is supposedly intelligent people thinking muslims have something against trees.......
Why? They have a fair few customs that seem bizarre to outsiders, such as thinking that dogs are unclean, or that you can’t eat Walls finest pork sausages. Asking the question is surely fair enough.alabbasi said:
Sway said:
I don't necessarily disagree - I just always find it amusing how vocal Americans (and more noticeably emigrants to America) are about the freedom in the States, whilst ignoring how massively authoritative and conformist it is.
You're free to live in a sh*thole. You're neighbors are free to do something about it if you try to turn their habitat into one. It's all about personal responsibility. If you want to live that way, move to a neighborhood where everybody does it. The homes will be cheaper and you'll pay less in property taxes.How can anyone move to a confirmed permissible s
t hole if the State/City finds you wherever you are? I'm quite happy - moved out of London 15 years ago, and now live with the beach less than 100m away, and a SSSI wetlands nature reserve across the road.
It's also much cheaper than London, or indeed most of the sorts of places we're discussing in this thread.
Neighbours are pretty sound too - chap two doors down fell off a ladder and did his back in, between the few houses in our block we kept his hedge, veg patch and memorial flower garden looking stunning throughout the heatwave. No need for stern words, nor fines.
James_B said:
Countdown said:
What is genuinely bizarre is supposedly intelligent people thinking muslims have something against trees.......
Why? They have a fair few customs that seem bizarre to outsiders, such as thinking that dogs are unclean, or that you can’t eat Walls finest pork sausages. Asking the question is surely fair enough.Do some muslims cut down trees and pave over gardens? Yes
Do some non-muslims cut down trees and pave over gardens? Yes
Do all muslims cut down trees and pave over gardens? No
Do all non-muslims cut down trees and pave over gardens? No
Has there been a national increase in the trend for paving over gardens? Yes
Has there been a national increase in the need for off-road parking? Yes
is there a correlation between garden-paving-over and muslims? No
Tune in for tomorrow’s question “Do jedis prefer magnolia paint for cultural reasons?”
Dog Star said:
Shay HTFC said:
Ok, so I have a genuine question about housing and wondered if someone knew what the reasons behind certain decisions are..
So my mother lives in the wealthier part of a West Yorkshire town, which is full of large stone houses full of lovely trees in gardens etc and generally quite a nice prosperous feel about the place.
Since I was last back a few years ago, a number of Muslim families have started buying up properties (white flight is definitely kicking in), and coupled with a sudden explosion of high end sleek black Mercedes cars parked in the street, all the trees and greenery are essentially completely removed, and in go paving slabs and gravel, turning what used to be really nice places into slightly bigger versions of the bleak sthole terraced houses in the areas these Muslims have moved from.
So my question is why?
Why is all the greenery just ripped out? Is it haram? Is it simply something cultural, related to the sort of modern Saudi Arabian/UAE desert look?
Have other people experienced it?
Have I just become a bigot?!
Nope - it’s simply what they do. The gardens will always have to go to make parking for the German cars. So my mother lives in the wealthier part of a West Yorkshire town, which is full of large stone houses full of lovely trees in gardens etc and generally quite a nice prosperous feel about the place.
Since I was last back a few years ago, a number of Muslim families have started buying up properties (white flight is definitely kicking in), and coupled with a sudden explosion of high end sleek black Mercedes cars parked in the street, all the trees and greenery are essentially completely removed, and in go paving slabs and gravel, turning what used to be really nice places into slightly bigger versions of the bleak s
thole terraced houses in the areas these Muslims have moved from.So my question is why?
Why is all the greenery just ripped out? Is it haram? Is it simply something cultural, related to the sort of modern Saudi Arabian/UAE desert look?
Have other people experienced it?
Have I just become a bigot?!
Mrs DS and I have a timetable in place for moving out from the location we are in (where I’ve always lived, I love it here)
because of this. We want to be selling in 2020. They decimate the value of your home - my home is part of my pension. I don’t want the aggro with them taking the piss and causing issues with parking, dealing drugs etc. We have shared gates and driveway with next doors and they’re great, but he has MS. If they sell up then we are f
ked - I lose sleep over this. It will wipe 30-40% off the value of our home Countdown said:
is there a correlation between garden-paving-over and muslims? No
I’ve no information either way on that, so wouldn’t make the statement, do you actually have anything to back your view up that there is no correlation?Given the larger families that UK Muslims have (on average), then I’d not be at all surprised if the parking requirements gave rise to a positive correlation. What makes you so sure that this is wrong?
Countdown said:
Not to anybody who has even the most limited of critical thinking skills.
Do some muslims cut down trees and pave over gardens? Yes
Do some non-muslims cut down trees and pave over gardens? Yes
Do all muslims cut down trees and pave over gardens? No
Do all non-muslims cut down trees and pave over gardens? No
Has there been a national increase in the trend for paving over gardens? Yes
Has there been a national increase in the need for off-road parking? Yes
is there a correlation between garden-paving-over and muslims? No
Tune in for tomorrow’s question “Do jedis prefer magnolia paint for cultural reasons?”
Yes. They hate colours from the dark side. Do some muslims cut down trees and pave over gardens? Yes
Do some non-muslims cut down trees and pave over gardens? Yes
Do all muslims cut down trees and pave over gardens? No
Do all non-muslims cut down trees and pave over gardens? No
Has there been a national increase in the trend for paving over gardens? Yes
Has there been a national increase in the need for off-road parking? Yes
is there a correlation between garden-paving-over and muslims? No
Tune in for tomorrow’s question “Do jedis prefer magnolia paint for cultural reasons?”
Sheepshanks said:
Not taking care of parents is a British cultural thing.
Like tree cutting is a Muslim thing ?The answer is not religious, increased car ownership in houses with "larger families" living in them and lack of off road parking.
Edited by The Dangerous Elk on Monday 20th August 23:24
Countdown said:
is there a correlation between garden-paving-over and muslims? No
Yes.The road where I once lived in Luton is now 90% block paved, done on the cheap and looks terrible after a few months. The once attractive flowers, shrubs and the like have all gone. Practical I suppose when you have a large family and need somewhere to keep the taxis.
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