The Official 2018 Italian Grand Prix Thread **SPOILERS**
Discussion
Date(s): Friday 31st August 2018 - Sunday 2 September 2018
Race Timings (UK -1 hr)
Practice 1 Fri 11:00 – 12:30
Practice 2 Fri 15:00 – 16:30
Practice 3 Sat 12:00 – 13:00
Qualifying Sat 15:00 – 16:00
Race Sun 15:10 – 17:10
UK TV Time
Monza
Live Timing
https://www.formula1.com/en/f1-live.html
Lap times, PU component use, technical reports and Stewards' decisions for the weekend will appear here:
https://www.fia.com/events/fia-formula-one-world-c...
Tyres
Weather
http://www.myweather2.com/Motor-Racing/Italy/Monza...
2017 Quailfying
Highlights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eTFNSalcmI
Pole Lap
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifvbapD8B2Q
^1 – Max Verstappen received a 20-place grid penalty for exceeding his quota of power unit components.
^2 – Daniel Ricciardo received a 25-place grid penalty for exceeding his quota of power unit components and an unscheduled gearbox change.
^3 – Stoffel Vandoorne received a 25-place grid penalty for exceeding his quota of power unit components.[9]
^4 – Sergio Pérez received a 5-place grid penalty for an unscheduled gearbox change.[10]
^5 – Nico Hülkenberg received a 10-place grid penalty for exceeding his quota of power unit components.
^6 – Fernando Alonso received a 35-place grid penalty for exceeding his quota of power unit components.
^7 – Carlos Sainz Jr. received a 10-place grid penalty for exceeding his quota of power unit components.
^8 – Jolyon Palmer received a 15-place grid penalty for exceeding his quota of power unit components.
^9 – Romain Grosjean failed to set a time within the 107% requirement, but received permission from the stewards to start
the race.[11] He also received a 5-place grid penalty for an unscheduled gearbox change.[12]
Race
Race Highlights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LOPzsVsaA0
Hot Lap (Virtual)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cK9Z7yQTVo
WDC
|https://thumbsnap.com/Z5YiCJ6s[/url]
Intro, thanks to F1.com
Monza
Not only is it a fantastic example of a track that combines speed with skill, it also has a heart and soul all of its own. It has seen some of the finest races of all time, but also some of the sport's worst accidents. The names of great drivers and the sounds of engines from years gone by linger in the grand old trees surrounding the track in the royal park.
Work began on the circuit in 1922 and was completed in under six months. After Brooklands in the UK and Indianapolis in the USA, it was the third permanent race track in existence. With a banked oval incorporated into the design of the road racing circuit, the total track length stood at a whopping 10 kilometres.
Formula One racing visited the circuit as part of the inaugural season in 1950, and it has remained a permanent fixture on the calendar ever since.
Over that time, Monza has borne witness to an incredible list of historic moments, famous victories and horrifying crashes. All combine to make it one of the most magical places on the Formula One calendar. For many there is nowhere that encapsulates the sport better than this circuit. The Italians call it 'La Pista Magica', the magic track, a description few would disagree with.
Ill add bits and links as they come through...
My Musings,
Going into race weekend 14 (2017 Singapore, 2018 Monza), 2017 Hamilton held a 3 point lead, 2018 has a 17 point lead, no more Malaysian GP (but gained and raced German & French), and a moved Russian GP (weather?), Power led tracks in Italy, Russia, Japan, and Abu Dhabi, Can Hamilton hold on or will Vettel have the upper hand.
The Ferrari very much seems to have the edge, certainly in outright power, led by fuel and electrical power gains (mgu H), and seems to have much stronger mechanical grip in the slower corners too.
Mercedes have (Im led to believe) followed the Ferrari route of diverting more power generated by the MGU H to the MGU K in the summer break, something that has been in the rules since the outset, but some teams seemingly missed, but this has come at a cost to straight line speed, but gives them more corner speed, the rate of harvest to the energy store now takes longer so Mercedes have less battery on demand over a lap, Mercedes will need to work on extracting this surplus heat to ensure that the energy store can be adequately charged, and if they can extract more power will they risk a power unit update?
Penaltys/Engine usage, with Kimi & Valtteri, seemingly in supporting roles, will we see the developments on these cars, and strategic penalties taken, different race strategies to get the cat amongst the pigeons?
The midfield battle, with most of the midfield racing for a seat for next year, in one of the closest midfield battles in years, how will come out best of the rest, Hulkenberg, Magnusson, or can Perez/Ocon gatecrash the WDC 'B' title.
Flexible wings, talk of some of the teams, having flexible wings (rear and front & not within the rules), this has been spotted by a few of the media, will the FIA do anything about this (or are they all at it)?
Update Friday AM
PU Unit to date
|https://thumbsnap.com/NgZwI6cg[/url]
Race Timings (UK -1 hr)
Practice 1 Fri 11:00 – 12:30
Practice 2 Fri 15:00 – 16:30
Practice 3 Sat 12:00 – 13:00
Qualifying Sat 15:00 – 16:00
Race Sun 15:10 – 17:10
UK TV Time
| Session | Day | Sky F1 | Channel 4 | Session Start | Local Time |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Drivers Press Conference | Thursday | 17.00 | |||
| Practice 1 | Friday | 09.45 | 10:00 | 11:00 | |
| Practice 2 | Friday | 13.45 | 14:00 | 15:00 | |
| Practice 3 | Saturday | 10.45 | 11:00 | 12:00 | |
| Qualifying | Saturday | 13.00 | 17.00 | 14:00 | 15:00 |
| Race | Sunday | 12.30 | 18.45 | 14:10 | 15:10 |
Monza
Live Timing
https://www.formula1.com/en/f1-live.html
Lap times, PU component use, technical reports and Stewards' decisions for the weekend will appear here:
https://www.fia.com/events/fia-formula-one-world-c...
Tyres
Weather
http://www.myweather2.com/Motor-Racing/Italy/Monza...
2017 Quailfying
Highlights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eTFNSalcmI
Pole Lap
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifvbapD8B2Q
^1 – Max Verstappen received a 20-place grid penalty for exceeding his quota of power unit components.
^2 – Daniel Ricciardo received a 25-place grid penalty for exceeding his quota of power unit components and an unscheduled gearbox change.
^3 – Stoffel Vandoorne received a 25-place grid penalty for exceeding his quota of power unit components.[9]
^4 – Sergio Pérez received a 5-place grid penalty for an unscheduled gearbox change.[10]
^5 – Nico Hülkenberg received a 10-place grid penalty for exceeding his quota of power unit components.
^6 – Fernando Alonso received a 35-place grid penalty for exceeding his quota of power unit components.
^7 – Carlos Sainz Jr. received a 10-place grid penalty for exceeding his quota of power unit components.
^8 – Jolyon Palmer received a 15-place grid penalty for exceeding his quota of power unit components.
^9 – Romain Grosjean failed to set a time within the 107% requirement, but received permission from the stewards to start
the race.[11] He also received a 5-place grid penalty for an unscheduled gearbox change.[12]
Race
Race Highlights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LOPzsVsaA0
Hot Lap (Virtual)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cK9Z7yQTVo
WDC
|https://thumbsnap.com/Z5YiCJ6s[/url]Intro, thanks to F1.com
Monza
Not only is it a fantastic example of a track that combines speed with skill, it also has a heart and soul all of its own. It has seen some of the finest races of all time, but also some of the sport's worst accidents. The names of great drivers and the sounds of engines from years gone by linger in the grand old trees surrounding the track in the royal park.
Work began on the circuit in 1922 and was completed in under six months. After Brooklands in the UK and Indianapolis in the USA, it was the third permanent race track in existence. With a banked oval incorporated into the design of the road racing circuit, the total track length stood at a whopping 10 kilometres.
Formula One racing visited the circuit as part of the inaugural season in 1950, and it has remained a permanent fixture on the calendar ever since.
Over that time, Monza has borne witness to an incredible list of historic moments, famous victories and horrifying crashes. All combine to make it one of the most magical places on the Formula One calendar. For many there is nowhere that encapsulates the sport better than this circuit. The Italians call it 'La Pista Magica', the magic track, a description few would disagree with.
Ill add bits and links as they come through...
My Musings,
Going into race weekend 14 (2017 Singapore, 2018 Monza), 2017 Hamilton held a 3 point lead, 2018 has a 17 point lead, no more Malaysian GP (but gained and raced German & French), and a moved Russian GP (weather?), Power led tracks in Italy, Russia, Japan, and Abu Dhabi, Can Hamilton hold on or will Vettel have the upper hand.
The Ferrari very much seems to have the edge, certainly in outright power, led by fuel and electrical power gains (mgu H), and seems to have much stronger mechanical grip in the slower corners too.
Mercedes have (Im led to believe) followed the Ferrari route of diverting more power generated by the MGU H to the MGU K in the summer break, something that has been in the rules since the outset, but some teams seemingly missed, but this has come at a cost to straight line speed, but gives them more corner speed, the rate of harvest to the energy store now takes longer so Mercedes have less battery on demand over a lap, Mercedes will need to work on extracting this surplus heat to ensure that the energy store can be adequately charged, and if they can extract more power will they risk a power unit update?
Penaltys/Engine usage, with Kimi & Valtteri, seemingly in supporting roles, will we see the developments on these cars, and strategic penalties taken, different race strategies to get the cat amongst the pigeons?
The midfield battle, with most of the midfield racing for a seat for next year, in one of the closest midfield battles in years, how will come out best of the rest, Hulkenberg, Magnusson, or can Perez/Ocon gatecrash the WDC 'B' title.
Flexible wings, talk of some of the teams, having flexible wings (rear and front & not within the rules), this has been spotted by a few of the media, will the FIA do anything about this (or are they all at it)?
Update Friday AM
PU Unit to date
|https://thumbsnap.com/NgZwI6cg[/url]Edited by Deesee on Friday 31st August 07:24
Edited by Deesee on Sunday 2nd September 12:55
Deesee said:
Not only is it a fantastic example of a track that combines speed with skill, it also has a heart and soul all of its own. It has seen some of the finest races of all time, but also some of the sport's worst accidents. The names of great drivers and the sounds of engines from years gone by linger in the grand old trees surrounding the track in the royal park.
Work began on the circuit in 1922 and was completed in under six months. After Brooklands in the UK and Indianapolis in the USA, it was the third permanent race track in existence. With a banked oval incorporated into the design of the road racing circuit, the total track length stood at a whopping 10 kilometres.
Formula One racing visited the circuit as part of the inaugural season in 1950, and it has remained a permanent fixture on the calendar ever since.
Over that time, Monza has borne witness to an incredible list of historic moments, famous victories and horrifying crashes. All combine to make it one of the most magical places on the Formula One calendar. For many there is nowhere that encapsulates the sport better than this circuit. The Italians call it 'La Pista Magica', the magic track, a description few would disagree with.
Ill add bits and links as they come through...
A friend used to live in Turin. He was an F1 fan but said that the Italians do things differently. There was one newspaper which had something like 7 pages dedicated to the Italian GP build-up. A couple of years ago I was in Naples. I'd found a little cafe frequented by locals where there was a TV and I had to ask for it to be tuned to the Monza GP. No one minded, multiple shrugs all round, but no one was particularly keen.Work began on the circuit in 1922 and was completed in under six months. After Brooklands in the UK and Indianapolis in the USA, it was the third permanent race track in existence. With a banked oval incorporated into the design of the road racing circuit, the total track length stood at a whopping 10 kilometres.
Formula One racing visited the circuit as part of the inaugural season in 1950, and it has remained a permanent fixture on the calendar ever since.
Over that time, Monza has borne witness to an incredible list of historic moments, famous victories and horrifying crashes. All combine to make it one of the most magical places on the Formula One calendar. For many there is nowhere that encapsulates the sport better than this circuit. The Italians call it 'La Pista Magica', the magic track, a description few would disagree with.
Ill add bits and links as they come through...
My mate reckoned that the Italians are not F1 fans so much as Ferrari fans, and as they did nothing in 2016 their national race was ignored.
I've not been to Monza but as my mate said, the atmosphere varies considerably. One year both Ferraris were out early on and a third of the crowd left.
Derek Smith said:
Deesee said:
Not only is it a fantastic example of a track that combines speed with skill, it also has a heart and soul all of its own. It has seen some of the finest races of all time, but also some of the sport's worst accidents. The names of great drivers and the sounds of engines from years gone by linger in the grand old trees surrounding the track in the royal park.
Work began on the circuit in 1922 and was completed in under six months. After Brooklands in the UK and Indianapolis in the USA, it was the third permanent race track in existence. With a banked oval incorporated into the design of the road racing circuit, the total track length stood at a whopping 10 kilometres.
Formula One racing visited the circuit as part of the inaugural season in 1950, and it has remained a permanent fixture on the calendar ever since.
Over that time, Monza has borne witness to an incredible list of historic moments, famous victories and horrifying crashes. All combine to make it one of the most magical places on the Formula One calendar. For many there is nowhere that encapsulates the sport better than this circuit. The Italians call it 'La Pista Magica', the magic track, a description few would disagree with.
Ill add bits and links as they come through...
A friend used to live in Turin. He was an F1 fan but said that the Italians do things differently. There was one newspaper which had something like 7 pages dedicated to the Italian GP build-up. A couple of years ago I was in Naples. I'd found a little cafe frequented by locals where there was a TV and I had to ask for it to be tuned to the Monza GP. No one minded, multiple shrugs all round, but no one was particularly keen.Work began on the circuit in 1922 and was completed in under six months. After Brooklands in the UK and Indianapolis in the USA, it was the third permanent race track in existence. With a banked oval incorporated into the design of the road racing circuit, the total track length stood at a whopping 10 kilometres.
Formula One racing visited the circuit as part of the inaugural season in 1950, and it has remained a permanent fixture on the calendar ever since.
Over that time, Monza has borne witness to an incredible list of historic moments, famous victories and horrifying crashes. All combine to make it one of the most magical places on the Formula One calendar. For many there is nowhere that encapsulates the sport better than this circuit. The Italians call it 'La Pista Magica', the magic track, a description few would disagree with.
Ill add bits and links as they come through...
My mate reckoned that the Italians are not F1 fans so much as Ferrari fans, and as they did nothing in 2016 their national race was ignored.
I've not been to Monza but as my mate said, the atmosphere varies considerably. One year both Ferraris were out early on and a third of the crowd left.
Theres a couple of things that unite them, un caffe, and Ferrari F1.
This year it should be electric.
Deesee said:
Italy, is very much a few countries within a country, we travel extensively through (as the wife is from there), the regional differences (to me) are night and day, attitudes, finance, dialects.
Theres a couple of things that unite them, un caffe, and Ferrari F1.
But not F1 on its own. Theres a couple of things that unite them, un caffe, and Ferrari F1.
I went to Sirmione one year and Amalfie the next and the difference was striking. Talking to the maitre de, a native of a town a little south and on the Adriatic, on the subject and he, like you, said that Italy was made up of different 'countries', although I don't think that was the word he used. He said Italy was the youngest country in the EU. Not sure that's true. He gave us a history lesson. He was, he said, keen on Ferrari. It was notable that he did not say F1.
Derek Smith said:
Deesee said:
Italy, is very much a few countries within a country, we travel extensively through (as the wife is from there), the regional differences (to me) are night and day, attitudes, finance, dialects.
Theres a couple of things that unite them, un caffe, and Ferrari F1.
But not F1 on its own. Theres a couple of things that unite them, un caffe, and Ferrari F1.
I went to Sirmione one year and Amalfie the next and the difference was striking. Talking to the maitre de, a native of a town a little south and on the Adriatic, on the subject and he, like you, said that Italy was made up of different 'countries', although I don't think that was the word he used. He said Italy was the youngest country in the EU. Not sure that's true. He gave us a history lesson. He was, he said, keen on Ferrari. It was notable that he did not say F1.
Well worth a look through history books & geography book to look at, Dutchy/republics/ kingdoms of Savoy, Milan, Venice, Genoa through the ages, to see how it has shaped these “regions” and how they still shape local thinking, lots of boarder changes and neighbouring countries across the seas, islands changing hands etc.
Edit, 3x things that unite them, Ferrari f1, un Caffe, and no.46.
Looking forward to this... I wonder if any of these lap records will get broken:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMkCtmutC1I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqYPU3MNqHw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMkCtmutC1I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqYPU3MNqHw
TobyTR said:
Looking forward to this... I wonder if any of these lap records will get broken:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMkCtmutC1I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqYPU3MNqHw
Frank Williams at the end of the Montoya one, almost looked impressed by that!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMkCtmutC1I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqYPU3MNqHw
Deesee said:
TobyTR said:
Looking forward to this... I wonder if any of these lap records will get broken:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMkCtmutC1I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqYPU3MNqHw
Frank Williams at the end of the Montoya one, almost looked impressed by that!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMkCtmutC1I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqYPU3MNqHw
TobyTR said:
Looking forward to this... I wonder if any of these lap records will get broken:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMkCtmutC1I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqYPU3MNqHw
I reckon there is a very good chance Montoya's record will fall in a dry qualifying. Last year's cars should have been close but we had a wet Q.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMkCtmutC1I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqYPU3MNqHw
Doubtful about the race lap record though. That was set in a splash and dash stint by Rubens, but the fastest lap in a dry race this year should be around 1-1.5s slower I think. However the race time if uninterrupted should be up there with the fastest V10s .
Given the dominant performance by the Mercs last year, if Ferrari were to win this time, the gains will be very impressive indeed.
Please let us have a dry qualifying to see these cars unleashed.
Dr Z said:
TobyTR said:
Looking forward to this... I wonder if any of these lap records will get broken:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMkCtmutC1I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqYPU3MNqHw
I reckon there is a very good chance Montoya's record will fall in a dry qualifying. Last year's cars should have been close but we had a wet Q.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMkCtmutC1I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqYPU3MNqHw
Doubtful about the race lap record though. That was set in a splash and dash stint by Rubens, but the fastest lap in a dry race this year should be around 1-1.5s slower I think. However the race time if uninterrupted should be up there with the fastest V10s .
Given the dominant performance by the Mercs last year, if Ferrari were to win this time, the gains will be very impressive indeed.
Please let us have a dry qualifying to see these cars unleashed.
100% in dry qualifying it will go, and I think it may go to Hamilton, I have a feeling Seb will not need pole to win
Race wise, if Seb has a 30 second lead (probable) in for supersofts with 3 laps to go, the lap record will go.
Me I love to see speed and technical progress...
thegreenhell said:
Grid penalties again for Danny Ricc as he will take a new PU. The new spec Renault that he is expected to use is apparently worth 0.3s over the old spec that every other Renault-user will have.
So a more powerful Renault engine. What's to worry about?Let's hope it lasts long enough for DR to make his way through the field and show everyone else that late braking is possible. The chap is a genius.
This is one of the must see and must buy on Netflix GPs. I'm busy Saturday, but Sunday's clear.
Looking forward to it. Let's hope drivers don't go all silly into the Rettifilo. When I ran an F1 fantasy competition at work, there was a bonus point for anyone who predicted how many cars left the circuit there on the first lap.
thegreenhell said:
Grid penalties again for Danny Ricc as he will take a new PU. The new spec Renault that he is expected to use is apparently worth 0.3s over the old spec that every other Renault-user will have.
Rumour has it Max will take a new PU as well. Basically sacrifice Italy to have a good car for Singapore where RB has better chance of decent results.Deesee said:
Dr Z said:
TobyTR said:
Looking forward to this... I wonder if any of these lap records will get broken:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMkCtmutC1I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqYPU3MNqHw
I reckon there is a very good chance Montoya's record will fall in a dry qualifying. Last year's cars should have been close but we had a wet Q.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMkCtmutC1I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqYPU3MNqHw
Doubtful about the race lap record though. That was set in a splash and dash stint by Rubens, but the fastest lap in a dry race this year should be around 1-1.5s slower I think. However the race time if uninterrupted should be up there with the fastest V10s .
Given the dominant performance by the Mercs last year, if Ferrari were to win this time, the gains will be very impressive indeed.
Please let us have a dry qualifying to see these cars unleashed.
100% in dry qualifying it will go, and I think it may go to Hamilton, I have a feeling Seb will not need pole to win
Race wise, if Seb has a 30 second lead (probable) in for supersofts with 3 laps to go, the lap record will go.
Me I love to see speed and technical progress...
iirc the lap records broken by 2017/2018 cars so far have been when they've pitted for Supers or Ultras with 3-6 laps remaining
Stuff all the Monza Paddock Club hospitality, the best seats are always long gone.
Let’s hear it for all those kids who camp out next to the chicken wire fencing for the best viewing. Come rain or sunshine they build their ‘stands’ to get the full on experience. Sometimes up in the trees or on the ground.
I’ve been Monza five times yet Sky and Liberty Media never give em any interest. But they’re as much a part of the heretage of Monza as the old banking.
Let’s hear it for all those kids who camp out next to the chicken wire fencing for the best viewing. Come rain or sunshine they build their ‘stands’ to get the full on experience. Sometimes up in the trees or on the ground.
I’ve been Monza five times yet Sky and Liberty Media never give em any interest. But they’re as much a part of the heretage of Monza as the old banking.
TobyTR said:
Deesee said:
Dr Z said:
Please let us have a dry qualifying to see these cars unleashed.
I was hopeful the 919 spa record would go by merc/Ferrari.100% in dry qualifying it will go, and I think it may go to Hamilton, I have a feeling Seb will not need pole to win
Race wise, if Seb has a 30 second lead (probable) in for supersofts with 3 laps to go, the lap record will go.
Me I love to see speed and technical progress...
iirc the lap records broken by 2017/2018 cars so far have been when they've pitted for Supers or Ultras with 3-6 laps remaining
V10 engine circa 2004 - ~4 kg/lap
V6T - Hybrid - current - ~1.8 kg/lap
That's technical progress.
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