How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 5)
Discussion
powerstroke said:
Planned all along !! f
k they have voted leave !!! Right lets think,.... right you resign we put May in and fk about for 2 years
pretending we will do a nice deal, that will keep the proles happy and shut that Farrage man up , we and the EU put a deal together that no one will vote for , then we say ok its the deal or remain lets have another ref .. they are so sick of it they vote remain , job jobbed pats on back all round ....
Cock up not conspiracy. Gove and Boris completely messed up each other’s chances, allowing May in. No way was that deliberate- Boris for one was desperate to be PMk they have voted leave !!! Right lets think,.... right you resign we put May in and fk about for 2 years pretending we will do a nice deal, that will keep the proles happy and shut that Farrage man up , we and the EU put a deal together that no one will vote for , then we say ok its the deal or remain lets have another ref .. they are so sick of it they vote remain , job jobbed pats on back all round ....
Roboraver said:
PRTVR said:
The EU has stated that they do not want us to leave, so we give them the keys to the door, yep sounds like a great idea.
On a dark desert highway, cool wind in my hair....
As they have just ruled that Article 50 can be withdrawn and brexit cancelled.On a dark desert highway, cool wind in my hair....
ROLF.
vonuber said:
FTA with EU that accounts of 43% of our exports vital.FTA with USA which accounts for 19% of our exports, is a key source of FDI, and is our most important ally, suspicious and work of right wing think tanks.
Roboraver said:
PRTVR said:
The EU has stated that they do not want us to leave, so we give them the keys to the door, yep sounds like a great idea.
On a dark desert highway, cool wind in my hair....
As they have just ruled that Article 50 can be withdrawn and brexit cancelled.On a dark desert highway, cool wind in my hair....
ROLF.
I didn't mean it.........
sparkythecat said:
Whatever I said, whatever I did
I didn't mean it.........
80% of cases are ruled as per AG. I think there will be a small safeguard in the final ruling but it's pretty safe to assume (With all the other factors aka vote / legal papers) that the tide has turned.I didn't mean it.........
Don't shoot the messenger, argue the message.
jsf said:
Roboraver said:
As they have just ruled that Article 50 can be withdrawn and brexit cancelled.
ROLF.
No they havnt. ROLF.
The top judge advisor has said thats his view. They haven't voted on it yet.
Good news indeed.
Piha said:
As I understand it, the advocate general’s opinions are not binding, however the court tends to follow them in its final rulings. We have not got a definite tim for the ECJ ruling though.
Good news indeed.
I am not sure why you think this is good news.. OK, on one level you believe that it removes any legal barrier to the rescinding of Article 50, I get that, but do you genuinely believe that this Government would rescind A50? Good news indeed.
Personally I can't imagine a UK Government going that. I may be proven wrong by subsequent events, but rescinding A50 would be a massive step that effectively marks the beginning of the end of democracy in this country. You will probably scoff at that observation, but it's a very thin line that will have been crossed when the political establishment will have effectively manipulated the situation to frustrate the clear outcome of a democratic vote.
I know that this kind of thing happens all the time in the EU, but here in the UK?
You might be rubbing your ands in glee at the slight prospect of getting what you wanted, but all I would say is, be careful what you wish for because as soon as this kind of practice becomes established then there will ALWAYS be some form of justification for its repetition by those who happen to be holding power at that time.
PurpleMoonlight said:
Roboraver said:
As they have just ruled that Article 50 can be withdrawn and brexit cancelled.
ROLF.
I'm quite surprised at that. It make a complete mockery of the whole A50 process.ROLF.
I'm sure it's music to the ears of many Remainers but, as you say, if this opinion is upheld by the ECJ it makes a compete mockery of the Article 50 process. It's the equivalent of handing your notice in at work but having a legal right to be retained if you change your mind even though you've put your employer through all sorts of grief and aggravation whilst working your notice period!
andymadmak said:
I am not sure why you think this is good news.. OK, on one level you believe that it removes any legal barrier to the rescinding of Article 50, I get that, but do you genuinely believe that this Government would rescind A50?
Personally I can't imagine a UK Government going that. I may be proven wrong by subsequent events, but rescinding A50 would be a massive step that effectively marks the beginning of the end of democracy in this country. You will probably scoff at that observation, but it's a very thin line that will have been crossed when the political establishment will have effectively manipulated the situation to frustrate the clear outcome of a democratic vote.
I know that this kind of thing happens all the time in the EU, but here in the UK?
You might be rubbing your ands in glee at the slight prospect of getting what you wanted, but all I would say is, be careful what you wish for because as soon as this kind of practice becomes established then there will ALWAYS be some form of justification for its repetition by those who happen to be holding power at that time.
May's deal is completely against the national interest IMO.Personally I can't imagine a UK Government going that. I may be proven wrong by subsequent events, but rescinding A50 would be a massive step that effectively marks the beginning of the end of democracy in this country. You will probably scoff at that observation, but it's a very thin line that will have been crossed when the political establishment will have effectively manipulated the situation to frustrate the clear outcome of a democratic vote.
I know that this kind of thing happens all the time in the EU, but here in the UK?
You might be rubbing your ands in glee at the slight prospect of getting what you wanted, but all I would say is, be careful what you wish for because as soon as this kind of practice becomes established then there will ALWAYS be some form of justification for its repetition by those who happen to be holding power at that time.
Anything that makes other options viable, even ones to which I am personally opposed, are good news.
JNW1 said:
+1
I'm sure it's music to the ears of many Remainers but, as you say, if this opinion is upheld by the ECJ it makes a compete mockery of the Article 50 process. It's the equivalent of handing your notice in at work but having a legal right to be retained if you change your mind even though you've put your employer through all sorts of grief and aggravation whilst working your notice period!
I agreeI'm sure it's music to the ears of many Remainers but, as you say, if this opinion is upheld by the ECJ it makes a compete mockery of the Article 50 process. It's the equivalent of handing your notice in at work but having a legal right to be retained if you change your mind even though you've put your employer through all sorts of grief and aggravation whilst working your notice period!
Can anyone say with absolute clarity what rescinding A50 would mean in terms of the terms of our staying in?
Do we simply have a Bobby Ewing moment and emerge from the shower to 'nothing changed', or is it a case of staying in but we've lost our vetoes, opt outs, rebates etc?
andymadmak said:
JNW1 said:
+1
I'm sure it's music to the ears of many Remainers but, as you say, if this opinion is upheld by the ECJ it makes a compete mockery of the Article 50 process. It's the equivalent of handing your notice in at work but having a legal right to be retained if you change your mind even though you've put your employer through all sorts of grief and aggravation whilst working your notice period!
I agreeI'm sure it's music to the ears of many Remainers but, as you say, if this opinion is upheld by the ECJ it makes a compete mockery of the Article 50 process. It's the equivalent of handing your notice in at work but having a legal right to be retained if you change your mind even though you've put your employer through all sorts of grief and aggravation whilst working your notice period!
Can anyone say with absolute clarity what rescinding A50 would mean in terms of the terms of our staying in?
Do we simply have a Bobby Ewing moment and emerge from the shower to 'nothing changed', or is it a case of staying in but we've lost our vetoes, opt outs, rebates etc?
JagLover said:
May's deal is completely against the national interest IMO.
Anything that makes other options viable, even ones to which I am personally opposed, are good news.
+1 Anything that makes other options viable, even ones to which I am personally opposed, are good news.
Putting aside everything else,
Is May's Deal in the best national interest ? Is it in the "Best" for the country ?
"No, it is NOT", that is a Fact.
Piha said:
Brexiteers find TM's deal unacceptable.
Remainers find TM's deal unacceptable.
Every sane person finds a chaotic No Deal utterly unacceptable.
The EU state this is the only deal available.
And now the ECJ hint that Art 50 can be rescinded.......
No, given the results of the referendum, an orderly “no deal” is the obvious solution.Remainers find TM's deal unacceptable.
Every sane person finds a chaotic No Deal utterly unacceptable.
The EU state this is the only deal available.
And now the ECJ hint that Art 50 can be rescinded.......
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