Scandisk/Defrag

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kojak

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4,535 posts

254 months

Tuesday 24th May 2005
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I have had a similar problem to this in the past.

I thought I'd run Scandisc, and then Defrag. However, I can't get them to start. I believe its the Scandisc at fault. Its trying to start, but doesn't. It runs OK in safe mode, and also when starting up if i've had to swirch off after the PC freezing, but doesn't run when fully operational. The last time I had this, it was a file that was at fault, but I came across the file first. This time I dont know the cause.

Anyone help.

I'm off to work in 5 mins, so i'll be back later.

>> Edited by kojak on Tuesday 24th May 08:25

Jinx

11,394 posts

261 months

Tuesday 24th May 2005
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Whats the OS - XP needs to schedule scandisk to run at the next restart so you won't get it to run "live" as it were. When running defrag turn off the screensaver and close any other programs - if that doesn't help we'll think of something else.

stuh

2,557 posts

274 months

Tuesday 24th May 2005
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kojak said:
I have had a similar problem to this in the past.

I thought I'd run Scandisc, and then Defrag. However, I can't get them to start. I believe its the Scandisc at fault. Its trying to start, but doesn't. It runs OK in safe mode, and also when starting up if i've had to swirch off after the PC freezing, but doesn't run when fully operational. The last time I had this, it was a file that was at fault, but I came across the file first. This time I dont know the cause.

Anyone help.

I'm off to work in 5 mins, so i'll be back later.

>> Edited by kojak on Tuesday 24th May 08:25


Never been a fan of new fangled scandisk

I use chkdsk /f from a command prompt........

kojak

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254 months

Tuesday 24th May 2005
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I'm using windows ME.

randlemarcus

13,526 posts

232 months

Tuesday 24th May 2005
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Upgrade , young man.

ME - ugh....

Zad

12,704 posts

237 months

Tuesday 24th May 2005
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An Independent Financial Adviser running a Cerbera, and a PC with WinME on it? Are you mad?

Still, you used to have an XR4x4 so can't be all bad...

Do yourself a favour, purchase a copy of Windows 2000 or XP Pro. If your PC won't run it, scrap it and get one that will. One month's time lost in ME's little "problems" alone would pay for XP.

Mike

kojak

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Tuesday 24th May 2005
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Zad said:
An Independent Financial Adviser running a Cerbera, and a PC with WinME on it? Are you mad?

Still, you used to have an XR4x4 so can't be all bad...

Do yourself a favour, purchase a copy of Windows 2000 or XP Pro. If your PC won't run it, scrap it and get one that will. One month's time lost in ME's little "problems" alone would pay for XP.

Mike





Its not the cost. Its all the pi$$ing around involved with the change over. I also use it for non work.

kojak

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4,535 posts

254 months

Thursday 26th May 2005
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Any ideas anyone?

Jinx

11,394 posts

261 months

Friday 27th May 2005
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kojak said:
Any ideas anyone?


Is it running at all - i.e. does it start then stop and have to restart (I have had a pc running '98 which did this) or does it make all the right noises and then nothing happens?

kojak

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Friday 27th May 2005
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Jinx said:

kojak said:
Any ideas anyone?



Is it running at all - i.e. does it start then stop and have to restart (I have had a pc running '98 which did this) or does it make all the right noises and then nothing happens?


It starts..but not for long, and then restarts. Does this over and over again.

Jinx

11,394 posts

261 months

Tuesday 31st May 2005
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kojak said:

It starts..but not for long, and then restarts. Does this over and over again.


What's happening is that another process is accessing the hard drive during the defrag - causing the process the restart. You'll need to set up a profile with the bare minimum of drivers loaded (perhaps call it "maintenance" or something) make sure the screen saver is turned off and run your disk maintenance procedures using this profile.

kojak

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Tuesday 31st May 2005
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Not sure of how to do it....but i'll have a mess around. Thanks, and sorry for the delay response.

docevi1

10,430 posts

249 months

Tuesday 31st May 2005
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kojak, as Jinx explained it's process' accessing the hdd which is stopping the scandisk and making it start again (i.e. the drive contents changes forcing the program to rescan that area).

The easiest way to do it is to use safe mode (hit F8 just after the BIOS boot table) as this loads the minimum drivers and disregards the normal crud that will be running in the background.

kojak

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Tuesday 31st May 2005
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It does it in safemode, no probs. It wont in normal mode NOR defrag.

Defrag is my worry now.

>> Edited by kojak on Tuesday 31st May 23:24

docevi1

10,430 posts

249 months

Tuesday 31st May 2005
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I personally wouldn't expect it to in Normal mode. Defrag is the same.

Remember ME was the last in a long line of OS's relying on the underlying code from Win3.1/95 days. Whilst the same can be said of XP (uses NT and 2000) it's a lot fresher and newer based on better coding and models (from what I understand at least). Personally, I wouldn't touch ME with a bargepole and when you come up with problems such as this consider them a flaw of the OS.

kojak

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Tuesday 31st May 2005
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Without changing my OS, does that mean i can no longer run my defrag, and if so, what are the consequences.

BliarOut

72,857 posts

240 months

Tuesday 31st May 2005
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kojak said:

Zad said:
An Independent Financial Adviser running a Cerbera, and a PC with WinME on it? Are you mad?

Still, you used to have an XR4x4 so can't be all bad...

Do yourself a favour, purchase a copy of Windows 2000 or XP Pro. If your PC won't run it, scrap it and get one that will. One month's time lost in ME's little "problems" alone would pay for XP.

Mike






Its not the cost. Its all the pi$$ing around involved with the change over. I also use it for non work.


XP has a file and settings transfer wizard on the PC.

ME truly is the spawn of Satan Look at the time it's cost you already. More memory leaks than the Titanic and less stable than Douglas Bader after ten pints

We won't support ME on a network these days. If the customer has an ME machine, they bin it or it's left to rot

docevi1

10,430 posts

249 months

Tuesday 31st May 2005
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kojak said:
Without changing my OS, does that mean i can no longer run my defrag, and if so, what are the consequences.
you run defrag in Safe Mode or work to get rid of the programs that are running the background (such as messenger, IE, firewalls, AntiVirus, spyware etc).

IMO if I were you I'd stick with ME as there is little reason to upgrade if it works (if you aint a power user and don't mind it failing every so often then why spend the money?). If however it stops working (as it appears to have done) you have two options - ditch ME and install XP Home, or format your disk and re-install ME again (often it's easier to format and re-install than it is to try and diagnose a problem).

I ditched 98se and that line of OS about 4 years ago when it wouldn't work with my new graphics card (the memory it had was too large for the OS to work with) and haven't looked back. I now use XP Pro which I got free from Uni and like it alot and wouldn't hesitate to recommend it, although looking at the price (£158 from PCWorld for Home) it's bloody steep - you might as well double that and get a brand new PC from Dell with the OS already installed for £299.

kojak

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4,535 posts

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Tuesday 31st May 2005
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cheers. I'll have a go tomorrow, and shut some programs down on start up, by using 'msconfig'. Hope fully, that may cure it.

docevi1

10,430 posts

249 months

Wednesday 1st June 2005
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also try the standard Spyware tools (assuming they have editions for ME - I've never looked due to not needing to): Spybot(www.safer-networking.org) & Ad-Aware (www.lavasoftusa.com)