Compulsory masks in shops from 24th and petrol stations
Discussion
A1VDY said:
There's absolutely no reason not to wear one and this should have been brought in earlier.
Any public place inside it should be compulsory.
No excuse either re sourcing masks, there's been plenty of time to source them and face coverings of other types are acceptable like bandanas and scalfs ect.
No doubt there'll be plenty more anti mask protests as in London recently with the usual braindead inept selfish d
heads taking part... 
Just thought I'd reply to this A1VDY as, while I often disagree with things you say, you're spot on here. It used to be a guilty pleasure of mine to go on a website called housepricecrash co.uk and chuckle at the nutters there - conspiracy theorists, FMOTL types, single-issue headcases etc. fAny public place inside it should be compulsory.
No excuse either re sourcing masks, there's been plenty of time to source them and face coverings of other types are acceptable like bandanas and scalfs ect.
No doubt there'll be plenty more anti mask protests as in London recently with the usual braindead inept selfish d
heads taking part... k me if this little corner of PH isn't just as bad. I would say 'just as good' but whereas the HPC loons were essentially harmless, the sort of tripe being bandied about on here by the poundshop Bravehearts could have real-world consequences. Fortunately I have every faith that the vast majority of people will not see this as the gubmint taking a giant st on the magna carta, rather they will view it through the prism of sanity and see it as no more than a minor inconvenience that's probably for the greater good.Deep Thought said:
Your're a mouthless obedient submissive every day by going to work, paying your taxes, being a good boy and staying on the right side of the law, wearing your seatbelt, not breaking any speed limits, etc, etc.
Or is wearing a mask which might stop other people catching it from you if you have it but dont know yet the straw that broke the camels back and you're now going to live outside the law?
This is what's hilarious, these people are just too thick to realise! They live every day by rules made by the government (well unless they're Or is wearing a mask which might stop other people catching it from you if you have it but dont know yet the straw that broke the camels back and you're now going to live outside the law?
s), yet THIS one is the issue? Having to wear a mask for the 20 mins you might be in a shop?I despair that I share the planet with people this selfish and stupid.
OldGermanHeaps said:
been mandatory in scotland for a bit now and I tried before it became law to get in the habit.
you are talking ste on the covid symptoms, thats a new one, you feel normal and healthy all of the time except when you have a mask on, never heard that as a covid indicator, I think you just made that up off the top of your head.
Yeah it’s all down to the mask. you are talking s
te on the covid symptoms, thats a new one, you feel normal and healthy all of the time except when you have a mask on, never heard that as a covid indicator, I think you just made that up off the top of your head. None of these are symptoms
Headache
Fatigue
Disorientation
Shortness of breath
unident said:
OldGermanHeaps said:
Anyone else get a pounding headache wearing a cloth mask for too long?
I can wear a powered 3m respirator all day long without feeling any ill effects, but trying to do a weekly shop with a cloth mask on and I get a banging headache and feel really fatigued and start to feel a bit off colour and disoriented after an hour. I checked my o2 sats the last time I went shopping with a mask on and they dropped from 99 at the start to 92 when I was finished. That cant be healthy.
I have stopped wearing one. nobody has challenged me yet.
Anyone else checked their blood oxygen levels after a shop?
Apart from the fact that they’re not mandatory until Friday so most won’t be wearing them, I’d suggest you might want to get yourself tested. You’re describing the symptoms of Covid-19 quite accurately. I can wear a powered 3m respirator all day long without feeling any ill effects, but trying to do a weekly shop with a cloth mask on and I get a banging headache and feel really fatigued and start to feel a bit off colour and disoriented after an hour. I checked my o2 sats the last time I went shopping with a mask on and they dropped from 99 at the start to 92 when I was finished. That cant be healthy.
I have stopped wearing one. nobody has challenged me yet.
Anyone else checked their blood oxygen levels after a shop?
Deep Thought said:
So whys he not getting any symptoms for the 23 hours a day hes not wearing a mask?
I don’t know. I’m not a doctor, I suggested he gets tested as he’s describing symptoms that match the ones widely reported for Covid. Maybe he does have the symptoms and he’s just ignoring them, or maybe they are exacerbated when he’s wearing a mask, or some other reason. Or have I somehow insulted his manhood and hard man image by suggesting he could possibly have contracted something that only southern snowflakes can catch?Bigends said:
Plenty of demo videos on the net showing no drop in Oxygen sats with or without masks
And your point is? That was one of four issues he described suffering from, all of which are on the list of Covid symptoms. I know it might sound bizarre, but the idea is if you are showing symptoms, then get a test. Here's a question. How many cv19 cases were spread in supermarkets? I've heard none reported.
Now we know the big spread cases came from choirs (Churches), gyms, hospitals,care homes,meat packing plants.
So you go to the gym do you need a mask, no.
How about churches the same? Only advisory, when few countries have had clear outbreaks pinpointed to churches...
See the logic there, and people wonder why people are bemused. It is moronic.
Now we know the big spread cases came from choirs (Churches), gyms, hospitals,care homes,meat packing plants.
So you go to the gym do you need a mask, no.
How about churches the same? Only advisory, when few countries have had clear outbreaks pinpointed to churches...
See the logic there, and people wonder why people are bemused. It is moronic.
The Spruce Goose said:
But why can't we make our own choices, why does everything have to come down to you must, we re free country, we should be allowed freedom of choice, not what the government dictates, it is a slippery slope.
People have died for this freedom and having it taken away, the freedom of choice, pisses on their graves.
The price I pay (as an adult with a serious underlying health condition) for your freedom to infect me due to your refusal to cover your face is my life. So yes, I could die for your freedom to go round spreading a serious infection when you know you can mitigate that spread through a cheap and simple intervention. But I don't think you realised how true your statement was.People have died for this freedom and having it taken away, the freedom of choice, pisses on their graves.
I consider my life too high a price to pay for your freedom to take it away. So many people only look to their own circumstances when thinking about infectious disease, whether it's wearing face masks or for that matter having a vaccination. But infectious diseases don't think like that, they demand that we ask "what can you do for your country" not "what can your country do for you" to quote a famous ex-president of the USA. We all work together to defeat this, or some of us die during a disjointed free for all.
The Spruce Goose said:
Here's a question. How many cv19 cases were spread in supermarkets? I've heard none reported.
Now we know the big spread cases came from choirs (Churches), gyms, hospitals,care homes,meat packing plants.
So you go to the gym do you need a mask, no.
How about churches the same? Only advisory, when few countries have had clear outbreaks pinpointed to churches...
See the logic there, and people wonder why people are bemused. It is moronic.
But “people” aren’t bemused. You’re overplaying this to try to make a point in a very emotional way. Some people don’t like having to wear face coverings, but they would be just as unhappy if they had to wear them elsewhere too, so your point is moot. Now we know the big spread cases came from choirs (Churches), gyms, hospitals,care homes,meat packing plants.
So you go to the gym do you need a mask, no.
How about churches the same? Only advisory, when few countries have had clear outbreaks pinpointed to churches...
See the logic there, and people wonder why people are bemused. It is moronic.
The reason for shops is that people seem absolutely incapable of maintaining anything like a 2m distance in them, so face coverings are the only viable next step, or they could close the shops again if you’d prefer.
Just to help you. It’s face coverings, not masks too.
unident said:
Just to help you. It’s face coverings, not masks too.
The point again, nothing emotional and maybe you can respond is why aren't they required in gyms then, a mass hop spot in cv19 spreading, if the whole point is stop people spreading it?
As I'm an adult, fully capable of preparing for eventualities, I can't see any problem at all with finding a FACE COVERING to go into a shop if I need to after filling up a vehicle. I haven't had to since March because the same qualities have enabled me to arrange to fill up from one of the many pay at pump enabled stations near my home and place of work and I've taken responsibility to do so FOR MONTHS. At a pinch, I'm also capable of pulling my t-shirt up to cover my nose and mouth for a few minutes.
OP et al: this is a non-issue. Grow up and do what's required.
OP et al: this is a non-issue. Grow up and do what's required.
The Spruce Goose said:
Well they are both terms used interchangeable so i think you are trying to score non existent points highlighting them, when no one really cares, well except you, who takes pains to point it it at every occasion.
The point again, nothing emotional and maybe you can respond is why aren't they required in gyms then, a mass hop spot in cv19 spreading, if the whole point is stop people spreading it?
Masks are different to face coverings. The former suggests medical equipment, or at the very least some form of specialist equipment, face covering is anything that covers the face (mouth and nose) and that’s all that’s needed. Note the word “suggests” rather than dictates / defines. The point again, nothing emotional and maybe you can respond is why aren't they required in gyms then, a mass hop spot in cv19 spreading, if the whole point is stop people spreading it?
I’ve no definitive idea why they’re not included. Maybe ask your MP if you want a definitive reason. I’ll hazard a guess though that being that social distancing will be in place and enforced. There is nothing to say that they won’t be next (or somewhere) on the list though. At that point I’m sure you’ll kick off that they shouldn’t be needed there either.
unident said:
I’ve no definitive idea why they’re not included. Maybe ask your MP if you want a definitive reason.
unident said:
At that point I’m sure you’ll kick off that they shouldn’t be needed there either.
No i've said just won't shop instore anymore. That's my choice.The Spruce Goose said:
unident said:
I’ve no definitive idea why they’re not included. Maybe ask your MP if you want a definitive reason.
unident said:
At that point I’m sure you’ll kick off that they shouldn’t be needed there either.
No i've said just won't shop instore anymore. That's my choice.Point 2 - what has not going instore got to do with the gym situation that we were discussing. I don’t go to gyms, so it doesn’t bother me either way.
The UK has the highest death rate in the world from this awful virus. Medics advise wearing face masks etc, let's just do it and help rid ourselves of this killer.
It seems that refusing the advice of medical experts and chance killing each other is the preferred option for many who spout that they know better.
Why don't we do as advised by the experts, wear masks, keep our distance, wash hands etc and squash the virus?
Lets start to make the UK strong, help those who lost their jobs get back to work and lets get Great Britain fit to face a world recession that might loom.
Or we could just roll over and die.
It seems that refusing the advice of medical experts and chance killing each other is the preferred option for many who spout that they know better.
Why don't we do as advised by the experts, wear masks, keep our distance, wash hands etc and squash the virus?
Lets start to make the UK strong, help those who lost their jobs get back to work and lets get Great Britain fit to face a world recession that might loom.
Or we could just roll over and die.
threespires said:
Why don't we do as advised by the experts, wear masks, keep our distance, wash hands etc and squash the virus?
They said ''Wearing masks isn’t enough to protect a person from the virus, the WHO said.''
The actual scientific evidence is inconclusive and as posted before they only work if properly used, changed and made to an agreed standard, that is masks.
So the government decides that they are following the science or whatever bite size phrase they have chosen and we all must comply as it's in our best interests... ''
No it is a political decision cooked up my a lamebrain government, clutching at straws.
Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 21st July 01:56
The Spruce Goose said:
No it is a political decision cooked up my a lamebrain government, clutching at straws.
Yea, right. And the UK having the highest death rate in the world is a figure plucked out of the air by fascists trying to control us.Edited by The Spruce Goose on Tuesday 21st July 01:56
Let's all ignore the fake WHO advice and if some die before their time that's tough, we all gotta go sooner or later.
https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-cor...
The Spruce Goose said:
threespires said:
Why don't we do as advised by the experts, wear masks, keep our distance, wash hands etc and squash the virus?
They said ''Wearing masks isn’t enough to protect a person from the virus, the WHO said.''
The actual scientific evidence is inconclusive and as posted before they only work if properly used, changed and made to an agreed standard, that is masks.
So the government decides that they are following the science or whatever bite size phrase they have chosen and we all must comply as it's in our best interests... ''
No it is a political decision cooked up my a lamebrain government, clutching at straws.
Edited by The Spruce Goose on Tuesday 21st July 01:56
https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-cor...
ash73 said:
Try to understand... a vaccine or herd immunity are the ONLY ways out of this. And a vaccine may take years.
To an extent however a virus will normally mutate in a less aggressive form over time in any event in order to survive (after all, if you kill you hosts you die too)..Either way however it is arguable that continuing as normal (for the healthy) is the best way to proceed to enable both safest options to engage.
Hiding away and waiting for a vaccine is a recipe for disaster.
W124Bob said:
I wonder if there will be a subtle change in the policing of masks in shops, since the government has given powers to local authorities to allow them to close down businesses for CV19 reasons. A warning to business to enforce the masks in shops or we close you.
That's the whole point of devolving enforcement to local government. They're the ones who have local enforcement officers e.g. licensing, parking, noise, food hygiene etc.Gassing Station | Speed, Plod & the Law | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff