Green light, unlit turn right arrow underneath.

Green light, unlit turn right arrow underneath.

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Baaaartz

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90 posts

46 months

Friday 30th October 2020
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Right, I just wanna know who's in the right as I had a road rage incident today shoot

The lights that you see in the picture were red at first however after some time they have changed and looked exactly the same as in the picture presented (green light lit, the arrow to turn right underneath remained unlit) I was stuck behind a car, that wouldn't move, I have sounded my horn thinking his on the phone, however that didnt work, he remained still.

After some time the arrow underneath turned green aswell (I believe the lights on the opposite side of the road turned red) and only then he proceeded to clear the junction

Was it wrong of me to think you could proceed through the junction even though the arrow isn't lit up (green) I always though that if the light turns green you could proceed in any direction on that junction (left, right, straight) or am I just stupid as anything?

There is the picture:

Haltamer

2,460 posts

81 months

Friday 30th October 2020
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My understanding would be that you are able to proceed into the junction and (if safe to cross oncoming traffic) make the right turn.

The green arrow is simply an indication of "Protected" right turn - I.e. Oncoming has been stopped for you.


Baaaartz

Original Poster:

90 posts

46 months

Friday 30th October 2020
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Haltamer said:
My understanding would be that you are able to proceed into the junction and (if safe to cross oncoming traffic) make the right turn.

The green arrow is simply an indication of "Protected" right turn - I.e. Oncoming has been stopped for you.
That is what I have always though, hence why I beeped at the geeza infront, I though I'm going a bit mental when it happend.

Like I said I would fully understand if there was care coming from opposite direction however it was fully clear I didnt see any reason for him not to go ahead and proceed through the junction.

CoreyDog

717 posts

91 months

Friday 30th October 2020
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Haltamer said:
My understanding would be that you are able to proceed into the junction and (if safe to cross oncoming traffic) make the right turn.

The green arrow is simply an indication of "Protected" right turn - I.e. Oncoming has been stopped for you.
That's right.

If it is showing a green light, you can proceed into the junction and cross if it is clear and safe to do so.

The green arrow really means nothing in these situations as you need to be careful and only cross if clear anyways regardless of the green arrow (Think emergency vehicles, red light jumpers etc)

NGee

2,401 posts

165 months

Friday 30th October 2020
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There was no red light so, if it's safe, you can go.

There is no such thing as a red arrow, if they wanted to control the right turn separately there would need to be a second set of three lights for the turn.

normalbloke

7,475 posts

220 months

Friday 30th October 2020
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You got all ragey over that?

Error_404_Username_not_found

2,261 posts

52 months

Friday 30th October 2020
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^^this ^^
Deep breath and chill.
Okay matey was holding up proceedings but so what? At least he wasn't steaming through a red.
Patience is a virtue.

NGee

2,401 posts

165 months

Friday 30th October 2020
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Error_404_Username_not_found said:
^^this ^^
Deep breath and chill.
Okay matey was holding up proceedings but so what? At least he wasn't steaming through a red.
Patience is a virtue.
The OP is trying to educate himself on the workings of traffic lights.
If more people asked questions about something they weren't sure on then maybe we'd could all learn something.
However with a patronizing and pointless reply like yours, I can see why people don't bother to ask.

Rozzers

1,779 posts

76 months

Friday 30th October 2020
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OP can maybe read the rest of the Highway Code now that a forum has told him how traffic lights work, its not a big book.

jondude

2,349 posts

218 months

Friday 30th October 2020
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If I did not know the area then yes, I would have turned right with care on the green shown.

Can only presume it was a local who knows the filter comes on and he has decided that is when it is best/safest to go. Technically he has a point.



Edited by jondude on Friday 30th October 22:40

NGee

2,401 posts

165 months

Friday 30th October 2020
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jondude said:
If I did not know the area then yes, I would have turned right with care on the green shown.

Can only presume it was a local who knows the filter comes on and he has decided that is when it is best/safest to go. Technically he has a point.
Eh?? What difference does it make whether you know the area or not? Of course the filter light comes on, that's how traffic lights work!!!

normalbloke

7,475 posts

220 months

Saturday 31st October 2020
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NGee said:
jondude said:
If I did not know the area then yes, I would have turned right with care on the green shown.

Can only presume it was a local who knows the filter comes on and he has decided that is when it is best/safest to go. Technically he has a point.
Eh?? What difference does it make whether you know the area or not? Of course the filter light comes on, that's how traffic lights work!!!
Not always. Some will only trigger the filter part if a certain amount of cars are queued back on the induction loops. I know at least two sets local to me that operate like that.

Sheepshanks

32,899 posts

120 months

Saturday 31st October 2020
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NGee said:
The OP is trying to educate himself on the workings of traffic lights.
If more people asked questions about something they weren't sure on then maybe we'd could all learn something.
However with a patronizing and pointless reply like yours, I can see why people don't bother to ask.
He knows how lights work - indeed he was so certain that he beeped and went mental.

Baaaartz

Original Poster:

90 posts

46 months

Saturday 31st October 2020
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NGee said:
Error_404_Username_not_found said:
^^this ^^
Deep breath and chill.
Okay matey was holding up proceedings but so what? At least he wasn't steaming through a red.
Patience is a virtue.
The OP is trying to educate himself on the workings of traffic lights.
If more people asked questions about something they weren't sure on then maybe we'd could all learn something.
However with a patronizing and pointless reply like yours, I can see why people don't bother to ask.
Cheers, seems like asking a question is something that's forbidden on a forum thats made for it.

Also for the people saying "you got all ragey over that" I'd like to remind you that you would fail your driving test if you didnt proceed on a green light and held up the traffic especially when nothing is coming from the opposite direction, but hey, what do I know.

Sheepshanks

32,899 posts

120 months

Saturday 31st October 2020
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Baaaart said:
Also for the people saying "you got all ragey over that" I'd like to remind you that you would fail your driving test if you didnt proceed on a green light and held up the traffic especially when nothing is coming from the opposite direction, but hey, what do I know.
What would you have done in this situation if you were on your driving test?

Baaaartz

Original Poster:

90 posts

46 months

Saturday 31st October 2020
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Sheepshanks said:
What would you have done in this situation if you were on your driving test?
Go through like your suppose to?

anonymous-user

55 months

Saturday 31st October 2020
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Baaaartz said:
Right, I just wanna know who's in the right as I had a road rage incident today shoot

The lights that you see in the picture were red at first however after some time they have changed and looked exactly the same as in the picture presented (green light lit, the arrow to turn right underneath remained unlit) I was stuck behind a car, that wouldn't move, I have sounded my horn thinking his on the phone, however that didnt work, he remained still.

After some time the arrow underneath turned green aswell (I believe the lights on the opposite side of the road turned red) and only then he proceeded to clear the junction

Was it wrong of me to think you could proceed through the junction even though the arrow isn't lit up (green) I always though that if the light turns green you could proceed in any direction on that junction (left, right, straight) or am I just stupid as anything?

There is the picture:
You were right that the car in front of you should have moved off, assuming it was safe to make the right turn.

Had the illuminated green light in the photo been an illuminated ahead only green arrow, then the driver in front of you would have been right.

XCP

16,956 posts

229 months

Saturday 31st October 2020
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Baaaartz said:
Go through like your suppose to?
Would you have got 'ragey' and honked at the car in front on your driving test? I think this is the point he was trying to make.

Baaaartz

Original Poster:

90 posts

46 months

Saturday 31st October 2020
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XCP said:
Would you have got 'ragey' and honked at the car in front on your driving test? I think this is the point he was trying to make.
I dont see anything wrong with honking and I would probably do it on a test if someone didnt react to a green light after it's been green for roughly 10 seconds the reason I beeped it's because I though they're ain't paying attention and are on their phone.
I do admit I shouldn't rage and start swearing but I didnt directly shout anything to him with an open window it was more of me moaning inside my car to myself kind of thing.

Starfighter

4,938 posts

179 months

Saturday 31st October 2020
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Inappropriate use of the horn. Minor error. Horn should not be used when stationary.

You are correct in you interpretation of the light. I suspect that the other driver knows the junction and is driving per habit rather than the situation in front of them.