Car batteries

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anonymous-user

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55 months

Wednesday 3rd February 2021
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Lester H

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106 months

Wednesday 3rd February 2021
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A phenomenon, as after a failure, you are only buying time. Just replace with a battery ‘one up’ the range, avoid the cheapest of the cheap. This is for ‘normal’ cars, sadly different if you are unlucky enough to have the gimmick of stop-start.(TVR won’t have that , new BMW often has 2 batteries - as bad as a boat!

Edited by Lester H on Wednesday 3rd February 09:20

Chris32345

2,086 posts

63 months

Wednesday 3rd February 2021
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What brand were the batteries this is quite common with cheeper ones

littleredrooster

5,538 posts

197 months

Wednesday 3rd February 2021
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Not so much a modern phenomenon, more a lead-acid phenomenon.

When a battery goes completely flat, a chemical reaction takes place much quicker than when it is charged. This is 'sulphation' and it is a coating which is deposited on the lead plates causing it initially to reduce the capacity, or if left, killing the battery altogether. It is pretty much irreversible, although I have, back in the 70s, used a product called BatAid to some effect.

Anything more than about 3-4 days in a flat state will be the start of the death-knell for most batteries.

magpie215

4,403 posts

190 months

Wednesday 3rd February 2021
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littleredrooster said:
Not so much a modern phenomenon, more a lead-acid phenomenon.

When a battery goes completely flat, a chemical reaction takes place much quicker than when it is charged. This is 'sulphation' and it is a coating which is deposited on the lead plates causing it initially to reduce the capacity, or if left, killing the battery altogether. It is pretty much irreversible, although I have, back in the 70s, used a product called BatAid to some effect.

Anything more than about 3-4 days in a flat state will be the start of the death-knell for most batteries.
This is correct.

Once you have discharged around 80% ish capacity from a lead acid battery you start to cause damage which affects its ability to take and hold a full charge.

col711

28 posts

50 months

Thursday 4th February 2021
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It may be possible to revive the battery depending on how old it is and how 'flat' it is. I have a CTEK battery charge that claims to revivie not completely flat batteries. I think 2% charge must remain for it to work. You could seek to borrow a similar automatic charger to try it.

alabbasi

2,514 posts

88 months

Thursday 4th February 2021
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Open the lid and see if you the water levels are where they're supposed to be. If not, top up to the correct amount with distilled water and charge again.

Brian_996TT

111 posts

97 months

Friday 5th February 2021
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if your not using the car disconnect the earth wire from the battery to save it going flat

smack

9,729 posts

192 months

Friday 5th February 2021
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col711 said:
It may be possible to revive the battery depending on how old it is and how 'flat' it is. I have a CTEK battery charge that claims to revivie not completely flat batteries. I think 2% charge must remain for it to work. You could seek to borrow a similar automatic charger to try it.
One of my cars I ignored this year thanks to Covid, it was sitting in an unpowered garage, sorn it, and was out of sight, out of mind. Last time I drove it was March for a work conference in the countryside just before the first lockdown, and I had to give it a good charge then to get it to fire up. Come Autumn, to get it out to give it a wash, the 2 year old battery read 3v. I stuck it on my older Ctek, and took maybe 5 days to bring the bring 100Ah battery to 'green'. It started the car, a big V8, but couldn't do it a few hours later in cold temperatures as it simply didn't hold it's charge.

I investigated getting a Ctek MXS 5.0 with the revive function, but watching some in-depth analysis from Electrical Engineers, my conclusion was it doesn't to squat to revive a battery with dead cells, so not worth buying for that reason. The second was the MSX 5.0 charger has (design) issues, runs way too hot, and significant people reported them dying.

I did recently buy a XS 0.8 as one of my bikes that has to have an alarm so will kill a battery if I don't keep on top of it, so bought a second charger so I can just leave it connected. The rest of the bikes without alarms just need a top up mid winter to keep them good. So I have 2 Ctek chargers (and might buy another XS 0.8, since if I get another year from the bike batteries it pays for itself), I can't remember when I bought my 3.6 as it was that long ago, it has been used constantly over the years, and never done me wrong, but Ctek's are a bit over hyped IMHO.

Chris32345

2,086 posts

63 months

Saturday 6th February 2021
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smack said:
One of my cars I ignored this year thanks to Covid, it was sitting in an unpowered garage, sorn it, and was out of sight, out of mind. Last time I drove it was March for a work conference in the countryside just before the first lockdown, and I had to give it a good charge then to get it to fire up. Come Autumn, to get it out to give it a wash, the 2 year old battery read 3v. I stuck it on my older Ctek, and took maybe 5 days to bring the bring 100Ah battery to 'green'. It started the car, a big V8, but couldn't do it a few hours later in cold temperatures as it simply didn't hold it's charge.

I investigated getting a Ctek MXS 5.0 with the revive function, but watching some in-depth analysis from Electrical Engineers, my conclusion was it doesn't to squat to revive a battery with dead cells, so not worth buying for that reason. The second was the MSX 5.0 charger has (design) issues, runs way too hot, and significant people reported them dying.

I did recently buy a XS 0.8 as one of my bikes that has to have an alarm so will kill a battery if I don't keep on top of it, so bought a second charger so I can just leave it connected. The rest of the bikes without alarms just need a top up mid winter to keep them good. So I have 2 Ctek chargers (and might buy another XS 0.8, since if I get another year from the bike batteries it pays for itself), I can't remember when I bought my 3.6 as it was that long ago, it has been used constantly over the years, and never done me wrong, but Ctek's are a bit over hyped IMHO.
Did you really think anything can revive a battery with dead cells?


They only way to revive them would be to replace the cell

smack

9,729 posts

192 months

Saturday 6th February 2021
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Chris32345 said:
Did you really think anything can revive a battery with dead cells?


They only way to revive them would be to replace the cell
I didn't know at the time, the battery had only gone flat once before, not totally flat, just not enough juice in to crack over the engine. It was only after trying to bring the 2 year old Silver Yuasa battery from the dead did this become clear. My fault, and cost me a new battery. All the recon mode does is charges the battery for a period with around 15v, it produces marginal improvement when tested.