CV19 - Cure worse than the disease? (Vol 13)
Discussion
robuk said:
There is some Cops on Camera on Channel 5 tonight showing a load of pissed of geordie lads being 'force vaccinated' late at night dated December 2011 if you believe thats what is going on there.
https://twitter.com/husserl80/status/1413230240466... < people will literally lap anything up if it fits what they want it to be.
So there is that and nurses being paid 200 quid to 'keep quiet'... any other social media gems people are going to chuck into this thread ?
You could always have a pop at the nurse who’s going around the country talking about the fear of speaking out and asking questions about covid.vaccination policy in the nhs?https://twitter.com/husserl80/status/1413230240466... < people will literally lap anything up if it fits what they want it to be.
So there is that and nurses being paid 200 quid to 'keep quiet'... any other social media gems people are going to chuck into this thread ?
That_nurse_who_asks_questions
Maximus_Meridius101 said:
No, at best it’s 5 times worse, it’s actually believed to be up to ten times worse. This really isn’t the flu, or a cold. The sooner people wake up, the better.
My wife is an NHS hospital consultant. In a normal flu season she doesn't go to work expecting to find several of her colleagues are patients in intensive care. Four very highly regarded staff died in the first wave from her trust. Two were in their forties. One was 30. If COVID-19 is "just flu" it's a truly special kind of flu. It certainly doesn't only kill and maim the oldest and most frail in society, despite what some people claim based on selective reading of social media. And there is a reason why people under 50 are being urged to get vaccinated as well as those older and those with preexisting conditions.
SCEtoAUX said:
153k deaths is people dying with covid on the cert.
The only number that counts is excess deaths, there aren't any
The only number that counts is excess deaths, there aren't any
https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps
Interesting now in the dearth of deaths zone?
A good indicator that things are much better now, whatever the media may say.
Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 9th July 20:55
Chromegrill said:
My wife is an NHS hospital consultant. In a normal flu season she doesn't go to work expecting to find several of her colleagues are patients in intensive care. Four very highly regarded staff died in the first wave from her trust. Two were in their forties. One was 30.
If COVID-19 is "just flu" it's a truly special kind of flu. It certainly doesn't only kill and maim the oldest and most frail in society, despite what some people claim based on selective reading of social media. And there is a reason why people under 50 are being urged to get vaccinated as well as those older and those with preexisting conditions.
So at this point where we are currently with over 90% of the most vulnerable age groups vaccinated, do you think covid is now comparable to flu?If COVID-19 is "just flu" it's a truly special kind of flu. It certainly doesn't only kill and maim the oldest and most frail in society, despite what some people claim based on selective reading of social media. And there is a reason why people under 50 are being urged to get vaccinated as well as those older and those with preexisting conditions.
Chromegrill said:
Maximus_Meridius101 said:
No, at best it’s 5 times worse, it’s actually believed to be up to ten times worse. This really isn’t the flu, or a cold. The sooner people wake up, the better.
My wife is an NHS hospital consultant. In a normal flu season she doesn't go to work expecting to find several of her colleagues are patients in intensive care. Four very highly regarded staff died in the first wave from her trust. Two were in their forties. One was 30. If COVID-19 is "just flu" it's a truly special kind of flu. It certainly doesn't only kill and maim the oldest and most frail in society, despite what some people claim based on selective reading of social media. And there is a reason why people under 50 are being urged to get vaccinated as well as those older and those with preexisting conditions.
Phil. said:
For interest. If you are double jabbed with a vax passport and preset either a positive LFT/PCR result, the vax passport disappears immediately from the NHS App.
Waiting to discover if it reappears so quickly after 10 days isolating and whether it’s based on being double vaxxed or having been positive.
Fair enough - apologies. Waiting to discover if it reappears so quickly after 10 days isolating and whether it’s based on being double vaxxed or having been positive.
robuk said:
RSTurboPaul said:
There is some Cops on Camera on Channel 5 tonight showing a load of pissed of geordie lads being 'force vaccinated' late at night dated December 2011 if you believe thats what is going on there.
https://twitter.com/husserl80/status/1413230240466... < people will literally lap anything up if it fits what they want it to be.
So there is that and nurses being paid 200 quid to 'keep quiet'... any other social media gems people are going to chuck into this thread ?
I was referring to the comment beneath it, as my previous post shows.
RSTurboPaul said:
Elysium said:
Apologies. Fat finger typo.
The thing I find a bit weird about this (well, one of many things...) is that the 'true' Case Fatality Rate must be a lot higher if the original meaning of 'case' is used - i.e. medical professional diagnosed illness, followed up by confirmatory test.Surely the end result of all this nonsensical asymptomatic testing and re-branding of a 'case' is that the CFR will be much lower, which will make all the money spent and all the long term damage done look... excessive when compared to, say, influenza CFR and the (lack of) response to that?
Unless the plan is testing everything that moves for everything possible, every week for the rest of time, in which case all the CFRs for everything will change?
We saw 506 deaths on the 29th March 2020 from just 610 cases 2 weeks before. Thats a fatality rate of 83%.
It fell rapidly as we began to test outside of hospitals. Its continued to fall this year and the average for the last 2 weeks is now 0.18%
On Monday we had 20 deaths from 16,992 cases 2 weeks before.
When the definition of a case is so variable, so must be the definition of admissions and deaths
Chromegrill said:
My wife is an NHS hospital consultant. In a normal flu season she doesn't go to work expecting to find several of her colleagues are patients in intensive care. Four very highly regarded staff died in the first wave from her trust. Two were in their forties. One was 30.
If COVID-19 is "just flu" it's a truly special kind of flu. It certainly doesn't only kill and maim the oldest and most frail in society, despite what some people claim based on selective reading of social media. And there is a reason why people under 50 are being urged to get vaccinated as well as those older and those with preexisting conditions.
Not only, no. But mostly.If COVID-19 is "just flu" it's a truly special kind of flu. It certainly doesn't only kill and maim the oldest and most frail in society, despite what some people claim based on selective reading of social media. And there is a reason why people under 50 are being urged to get vaccinated as well as those older and those with preexisting conditions.
One rule for them...?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9772437/K...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9772437/K...
DM said:
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The Duchess of Cambridge was alerted to a contact with a Covid-infected person last Friday afternoon - after spending most of the day at Wimbledon with VIPs including Tim Henman and Joe Wicks.
She will now attend the women's final with Prince William on Saturday. The Duchess will then go to the men's final on her own on Sunday, with the Duke expected to attend the England football match at Wembley instead.
However, there is confusion over Kate being out of quarantine already, despite only staring self-isolating on July 2 after being alerted that afternoon that she had come into contact with someone who later tested positive.
Under current guidelines, the Duchess should have quarantined for 10 days after contact, which suggests that it took place last Tuesday, if she comes out today, or last Wednesday if she comes out on Saturday.
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Kensington Palace said her self-isolation period will have finished by Saturday but did not confirm when it officially ended.
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The Duchess of Cambridge was alerted to a contact with a Covid-infected person last Friday afternoon - after spending most of the day at Wimbledon with VIPs including Tim Henman and Joe Wicks.
She will now attend the women's final with Prince William on Saturday. The Duchess will then go to the men's final on her own on Sunday, with the Duke expected to attend the England football match at Wembley instead.
However, there is confusion over Kate being out of quarantine already, despite only staring self-isolating on July 2 after being alerted that afternoon that she had come into contact with someone who later tested positive.
Under current guidelines, the Duchess should have quarantined for 10 days after contact, which suggests that it took place last Tuesday, if she comes out today, or last Wednesday if she comes out on Saturday.
...
Kensington Palace said her self-isolation period will have finished by Saturday but did not confirm when it officially ended.
...
markcoznottz said:
Chromegrill said:
Maximus_Meridius101 said:
No, at best it’s 5 times worse, it’s actually believed to be up to ten times worse. This really isn’t the flu, or a cold. The sooner people wake up, the better.
My wife is an NHS hospital consultant. In a normal flu season she doesn't go to work expecting to find several of her colleagues are patients in intensive care. Four very highly regarded staff died in the first wave from her trust. Two were in their forties. One was 30. If COVID-19 is "just flu" it's a truly special kind of flu. It certainly doesn't only kill and maim the oldest and most frail in society, despite what some people claim based on selective reading of social media. And there is a reason why people under 50 are being urged to get vaccinated as well as those older and those with preexisting conditions.
Here’s one.
Edited by andyeds1234 on Friday 9th July 21:07
markcoznottz said:
Chromegrill said:
Maximus_Meridius101 said:
No, at best it’s 5 times worse, it’s actually believed to be up to ten times worse. This really isn’t the flu, or a cold. The sooner people wake up, the better.
My wife is an NHS hospital consultant. In a normal flu season she doesn't go to work expecting to find several of her colleagues are patients in intensive care. Four very highly regarded staff died in the first wave from her trust. Two were in their forties. One was 30. If COVID-19 is "just flu" it's a truly special kind of flu. It certainly doesn't only kill and maim the oldest and most frail in society, despite what some people claim based on selective reading of social media. And there is a reason why people under 50 are being urged to get vaccinated as well as those older and those with preexisting conditions.
markcoznottz said:
Chromegrill said:
Maximus_Meridius101 said:
No, at best it’s 5 times worse, it’s actually believed to be up to ten times worse. This really isn’t the flu, or a cold. The sooner people wake up, the better.
My wife is an NHS hospital consultant. In a normal flu season she doesn't go to work expecting to find several of her colleagues are patients in intensive care. Four very highly regarded staff died in the first wave from her trust. Two were in their forties. One was 30. If COVID-19 is "just flu" it's a truly special kind of flu. It certainly doesn't only kill and maim the oldest and most frail in society, despite what some people claim based on selective reading of social media. And there is a reason why people under 50 are being urged to get vaccinated as well as those older and those with preexisting conditions.
really...
what is it with some ? what is it that they can not see that this is indeed significantly different to other years... even mentioning no excess deaths - stats ? have they not been proven to lie and be able to say anything the statistican wants to say...
the died with not of arguements ? oh please.... thats even worse...
NHS staff could be exempt from Covid app 'pings' from July 19 as No10 admits it's considering scrapping the rules for nurses and doctors - as Transport Secretary Grant Shapps urges Brits not to delete software
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9772767/T...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9772767/T...
Pfizer and AstraZeneca's jabs are 'just as effective' in the immunosuppressed and patients with underlying health conditions, real-world data shows
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9773433/P...
Does this mean that we can stop being harangued into getting jabbed up with propaganda about 'those who have vaccine failure' etc. etc.?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9773433/P...
Does this mean that we can stop being harangued into getting jabbed up with propaganda about 'those who have vaccine failure' etc. etc.?
soofsayer said:
Looking at it on the basis of new categories of young being under 65, most cases are in that group, and most survivors. The mortality rate in over 65s must be high?
Yes, most people and most cases are younger, most deaths are older. This tries to show it as bar graphs, or bookie style odds -
The mortality rate is very age dependent, but we're all getting jabbed.
RSTurboPaul said:
NHS staff could be exempt from Covid app 'pings' from July 19 as No10 admits it's considering scrapping the rules for nurses and doctors - as Transport Secretary Grant Shapps urges Brits not to delete software
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9772767/T...
As soon as they scrap it for one group, the next group facing staff shortages will pipe up (and rightly so).https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9772767/T...
Its either an important app, saving lives. Or it isn't.
Elysium said:
RSTurboPaul said:
Elysium said:
Apologies. Fat finger typo.
The thing I find a bit weird about this (well, one of many things...) is that the 'true' Case Fatality Rate must be a lot higher if the original meaning of 'case' is used - i.e. medical professional diagnosed illness, followed up by confirmatory test.Surely the end result of all this nonsensical asymptomatic testing and re-branding of a 'case' is that the CFR will be much lower, which will make all the money spent and all the long term damage done look... excessive when compared to, say, influenza CFR and the (lack of) response to that?
Unless the plan is testing everything that moves for everything possible, every week for the rest of time, in which case all the CFRs for everything will change?
We saw 506 deaths on the 29th March 2020 from just 610 cases 2 weeks before. Thats a fatality rate of 83%.
It fell rapidly as we began to test outside of hospitals. Its continued to fall this year and the average for the last 2 weeks is now 0.18%
On Monday we had 20 deaths from 16,992 cases 2 weeks before.
When the definition of a case is so variable, so must be the definition of admissions and deaths
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