Brexit - was it worth it? (Vol. 3)
Discussion
aturnick54 said:
stongle said:
I think that's more prejudice than you wanted to throw in the ring. If you think that 51% of your fellow countrymen/women are driven by silly slogans and xenophobia; it might be you with the problem. Again, it's why remain lost.
I suspect only a tiny minority fit your stereotype, most leave voters probably went on a variety of many factors and potential outcomes. You didn't actually think it was an easy question to answer?
It's not 51% of fellow countrymen though is it... just a mere 37% of the electorate, and most likely less than that now with the penny finally dropping at how much of a clusterfI suspect only a tiny minority fit your stereotype, most leave voters probably went on a variety of many factors and potential outcomes. You didn't actually think it was an easy question to answer?
k it is (and accounting for deaths and new young electorate). At the time, 51% of votes were under the presumption that nobody was threatening our place in the single market, which of course was another lie. They were also told there would be no downsides, only considerable upsides. And at the time, many people didn't have a clue how the EU actually worked, they just believed whatever one side of the campaign told them (and yes that goes for both campaigns, not just leave).When the Tories took power in 2010, very few people cared about us leaving the EU (except a small minority, and a few eurosceptics in the Conservative party which had been the case since the late 80s). People took for granted that we enjoyed all the benefits of membership, and that was that. It's funny seeing how many people Googled 'what is the EU' in 2016 around the time of the referendum.
Even Boris Johnson was in favour of the single market in 2013: https://news.sky.com/video/footage-shows-boris-joh...
He only backed leave knowing it would open up a potential path to power for him, follow the money as they say.
aturnick54 said:
Oneball said:
The only pilot job on their website is this for an instructor and the requirements make no mention of EU citizenship only language fluency.
https://apply.lufthansagroup.careers/index.php?ac=...
Lufthansa isn't currently recruiting for pilots (likely because there isn't a huge shortage in the sector as Sway pointed out earlier today). Every source I have read so far regarding Lufthansa recruitment of pilots indicates that EU citizenship is a requirement.https://apply.lufthansagroup.careers/index.php?ac=...
Edited by Oneball on Tuesday 25th January 20:17
Air France has a similar requirement except for their cadet programme. it includes EEA and Swiss citizens, who of course have the right to live and work in France. UK citizens are excluded.
Source: https://corporate.airfrance.com/en/become-air-fran...
This tweet has video (posted by a truck driver) and an interesting clip from the CEO of Dover saying it could get worse in Sept due to extra "2 min" checks that will make things worse.
https://twitter.com/securetrans/status/14859853074...
aturnick54 said:
It's not 51% of fellow countrymen though is it... just a mere 37% of the electorate,
I'm sure that you appreciate that even fewer voted to remain? aturnick54 said:
and most likely less than that now accounting for deaths and new young electorate.
aturnick54 said:
in 2010, very few people cared about us leaving the EU (except a small minority, and a few eurosceptics in the Conservative party which had been the case since the late 80s).
That might have been your position but your claim is demonstrably wrong. Farage became leader of UKIP in 2006, in 2009 UKIP secured 2.5 million votes ( 16.5% ) in the EU parliamentary elections resulting in 13 MEPsaturnick54 said:
It's funny seeing how many people Googled 'what is the EU' in 2016 around the time of the referendum.
How many people was it?aturnick54 said:
Even Boris Johnson was in favour of the single market in 2013: https://news.sky.com/video/footage-shows-boris-joh...
It would be good to hear the remainder of that quote........in context. Here's a more complete representation of Johnson's position regarding the EU......in 2013. https://fullfact.org/online/boris-johnson-eu-quote...aturnick54 said:
He only backed leave knowing it would open up a potential path to power for him, follow the money as they say.
Few, from either leave or remain, would disagree with that.........good job you managed to get something right, you were heading for the full Helicopter123.Edited by Crackie on Tuesday 25th January 23:12
aturnick54 said:
stongle said:
I think that's more prejudice than you wanted to throw in the ring. If you think that 51% of your fellow countrymen/women are driven by silly slogans and xenophobia; it might be you with the problem. Again, it's why remain lost.
I suspect only a tiny minority fit your stereotype, most leave voters probably went on a variety of many factors and potential outcomes. You didn't actually think it was an easy question to answer?
It's not 51% of fellow countrymen though is it... just a mere 37% of the electorate…..I suspect only a tiny minority fit your stereotype, most leave voters probably went on a variety of many factors and potential outcomes. You didn't actually think it was an easy question to answer?
aturnick54 said:
It's not 51% of fellow countrymen though is it... just a mere 37% of the electorate, and most likely less than that now with the penny finally dropping at how much of a clusterfk it is (and accounting for deaths and new young electorate). At the time, 51% of votes were under the presumption that nobody was threatening our place in the single market, which of course was another lie. They were also told there would be no downsides, only considerable upsides. And at the time, many people didn't have a clue how the EU actually worked, they just believed whatever one side of the campaign told them (and yes that goes for both campaigns, not just leave).
When the Tories took power in 2010, very few people cared about us leaving the EU (except a small minority, and a few eurosceptics in the Conservative party which had been the case since the late 80s). People took for granted that we enjoyed all the benefits of membership, and that was that. It's funny seeing how many people Googled 'what is the EU' in 2016 around the time of the referendum.
Even Boris Johnson was in favour of the single market in 2013: https://news.sky.com/video/footage-shows-boris-joh...
He only backed leave knowing it would open up a potential path to power for him, follow the money as they say.
Yet again, you show your prejudice. The only % that matters is those who turned out. I dunno, what the rest thought; fk it is (and accounting for deaths and new young electorate). At the time, 51% of votes were under the presumption that nobody was threatening our place in the single market, which of course was another lie. They were also told there would be no downsides, only considerable upsides. And at the time, many people didn't have a clue how the EU actually worked, they just believed whatever one side of the campaign told them (and yes that goes for both campaigns, not just leave).When the Tories took power in 2010, very few people cared about us leaving the EU (except a small minority, and a few eurosceptics in the Conservative party which had been the case since the late 80s). People took for granted that we enjoyed all the benefits of membership, and that was that. It's funny seeing how many people Googled 'what is the EU' in 2016 around the time of the referendum.
Even Boris Johnson was in favour of the single market in 2013: https://news.sky.com/video/footage-shows-boris-joh...
He only backed leave knowing it would open up a potential path to power for him, follow the money as they say.
king Kendal Jenner. I'm not guessing for em. You can't either. Holy penis, once the cats out the bag everything is damage limitation exercise politically (hence Boris), or hope business digs you out of a hole. Business is doing, Boris is transient.
Bandit said:
aturnick54 said:
stongle said:
I think that's more prejudice than you wanted to throw in the ring. If you think that 51% of your fellow countrymen/women are driven by silly slogans and xenophobia; it might be you with the problem. Again, it's why remain lost.
I suspect only a tiny minority fit your stereotype, most leave voters probably went on a variety of many factors and potential outcomes. You didn't actually think it was an easy question to answer?
It's not 51% of fellow countrymen though is it... just a mere 37% of the electorate…..I suspect only a tiny minority fit your stereotype, most leave voters probably went on a variety of many factors and potential outcomes. You didn't actually think it was an easy question to answer?
stongle said:
TDK-C60 said:
Tough crowd getting your point accepted though
No. He's talking nuts. It's another disaffected remainer complaining about the option premium, not the win. The later will always eclipse the former. Even if it takes us an election cycle (or 2) to sort it.
Not sure why there is so much frothing.
Crackie said:
Few, from either leave or remain, would disagree with that.........good job you managed to get something right, you were heading for the full Helicopter123.
Remain wasn't a change in the status quo though was it, leaving was. The presumption should have been that those who did not vote would have been happy with the existing status quo, otherwise they would have voted to leave.Edited by Crackie on Tuesday 25th January 23:12
Google Trends the day after the referendum:
The Full Fact link you've posted makes no mention of the clip I shared of Boris Johnson saying he is in favour of the single market, it mentions an entirely different quote so is irrelevant.
aturnick54 said:
Remain wasn't a change in the status quo though was it, leaving was.
Rockin All Over the EU 
aturnick54 said:
The presumption should have been that those who did not vote would have been happy with the existing status quo, otherwise they would have voted to leave.
Interesting idea..........everyone who doesn't vote at the next GE is presumed to want the Conservatives to remain in power..........right you are. 
aturnick54 said:
The Full Fact link you've posted makes no mention of the clip I shared of Boris Johnson saying he is in favour of the single market, it mentions an entirely different quote so is irrelevant.
Not sure if serious? Do you know the date that the clip you shared was recorded? Oneball said:
aturnick54 said:
How do you apply for a job you are no longer eligible to apply for under citizenship grounds?
Who says you’re not eligible?Nationality as a condition of employment is only usually used in very specific circumstances eg national security.
The EU does say you have to consider recruiting from EU first but there’s no bar on foreign workers.
I think Brexit was a monumentally bad idea but there’s almost as much guff on the Remain side as on Boris’s bus
https://recrutement.airfrance.com/offre-de-emploi/...
The key point you're after says this...
être de nationalité française, de l'un des autres Etats membres de la Communauté européenne ou de la Confédération helvétique.
Which, if you don't speak French, says you must be a French, Swiss or EU national to apply. Not have a visa, or planning to apply for a visa or citizenship at some point in the future, but actually be a citizen already.
I did try a few other airlines, but unsurprisingly many aren't recruiting at the moment, and it's surprisingly difficult to find their applicant requirements when there isn't a job to apply for.
TDK-C60 said:
stongle said:
TDK-C60 said:
Tough crowd getting your point accepted though
No. He's talking nuts. It's another disaffected remainer complaining about the option premium, not the win. The later will always eclipse the former. Even if it takes us an election cycle (or 2) to sort it.
Not sure why there is so much frothing.
Then it was "but you can't get an EASA licence without doing it in the EU" - proven to be rubbish.
Then "if you've a CAA licence, it's useless" - proven to be rubbish, and conversion shown to be quick and simple.
Finally, it's "ah, but the French Flag Carrier won't hire you" - which is true, but seems a little bit of a niche issue, perhaps effecting I dunno, half a dozen people?
That's why the piss is being taken.
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