RE: Mini confirms next generation EVs from 2023
RE: Mini confirms next generation EVs from 2023
Wednesday 3rd November 2021

Mini confirms next generation EVs from 2023

Firm previews new British-built three-door hatch - but new factory in China will ramp up to meet EV demand



As car manufacturers try frantically to get ahead of an increasingly environmentally aware audience, it is useful to have some heritage to hang their hat on. Mini, which proclaims its new campaign slogan 'BIG LOVE' with a straight face, notes that the original Mini was created to maximise the space afforded by its tiny footprint so that it might better fit into an urban environment while transporting four people and their luggage. If you allow for modestly sized people, and a very modest amount of luggage, this is true - and a good place for Mini to kick off discussion of its short- to medium-term strategy.

Of course, properly replicating Issigonis's single-minded genius for packaging is probably not on the cards (although you'd hope forthcoming generations of battery-powered Mini might make a better fist of it than the conventional models have) but steadily reducing the firm's CO2 footprint and firmly pitching its tent in the zero-emission global arena most certainly are. You'll recall that the firm launched the Mini Electric last year to good effect; now it has confirmed that from 2023 it will present a new generation of all-electric models.

Significantly, two of these future-proof, battery-powered cars will be built in China. Mini already exports 10 per cent of its sales volume to the world's largest automotive market, and, in order to increase that share, has long indicated that it wishes to graduate from importer to local producer via a partnership with Great Wall. Aside from boasting an all-electric drivetrain, the manufacturer doesn't specify which of its forthcoming models will roll out of its new factory in Zhangjiagang, although confirmation that it is developing a zero-emission 'new crossover in the small-car segment' and enhancing its commitment to the 'premium compact segment... with a new vehicle concept' does potentially narrow it down somewhat.



The latter, most likely a larger crossover, is said to be distinct from the next generation of Mini Countryman that will be built at BMW's plant in Leipzig alongside the X1. While the current model is already sold as a PHEV, the 2023 version - the first Mini to be built in Germany - will still be made available with conventional petrol and diesel engines, alongside hybrid iterations. More broadly, Mini expects to launch its last new model powered by a combustion engine in 2025, and to complete the electrification of the entire range by the early 2030s. In the meantime, it confidently predicts that EVs will make up 50 percent of its global sales by 2027.

If that all sounds like there's a little bit less BIG LOVE for Oxford, then the manufacturer is at pains to reassure us that its UK-based factory will remain at the heart of Mini production. Despite the tilt toward China and Germany, all other cars will apparently still be built there, including the new Mini Convertible, which is penciled in for launch in 2025 (no prizes for guessing where that last petrol engine is going) and the next generation three-door hatchback. The latter is also due in 2023, and is previewed here by the first official prototype images that confirm a) it will look very much like a three-door Mini, and b) will be available as an EV from launch.

Finally, and encouragingly for fans, the firm also stresses that it has not forgotten about the John Cooper Works brand. A battery-powered JCW has been mooted since the Mini Electric launched, and confirmation that the manufacturer is 'working intensively on concepts for electric John Cooper Works models' suggests that the prospect is not too far away - although whether or not BMW's attempt to 'combine sustainability and extreme sportiness in a unique way' heralds a zero-emission pocket rocket or yet another addition to the electrified crossover clan remains to be seen.




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blue al

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1,442 posts

189 months

Wednesday 3rd November 2021
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I hope they all come with a drivers hammer as standard…

Nu57jez9639

1,064 posts

68 months

Wednesday 3rd November 2021
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As a mini owner and a fan of the brand when charging points get better and mileage range improves I fully.intend adding an electric mini to the family until I'm quite happy with my fossil fuel cooper.

Bakazan

128 posts

167 months

Wednesday 3rd November 2021
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What's the point of revealing a new model in camo print? Especially when it appears to be a subtle evolution.

big_rob_sydney

3,671 posts

224 months

Wednesday 3rd November 2021
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I just don't understand these at all.

Is it true that the new Mini has less space inside tan the original? And have you SEEN the size of the new ones? I pulled up next to a countryman / suv thingy, and it was massive. Making them an EV will eat into internal space for battery packaging, so how will these be compared to the original, TINY, mini?

rare6499

862 posts

169 months

Wednesday 3rd November 2021
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Wow look at the short overhangs! That’s fantastic…just that alone is a MAJOR win, and much more like the R50.

CooperS

4,580 posts

249 months

Wednesday 3rd November 2021
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I'm amazed the unions arent talking about the long term strategy of manufacturing moving to China. Must be a worry to those building the ICE Mini in the UK.

rare6499

862 posts

169 months

Wednesday 3rd November 2021
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big_rob_sydney said:
I just don't understand these at all.

Is it true that the new Mini has less space inside tan the original? And have you SEEN the size of the new ones? I pulled up next to a countryman / suv thingy, and it was massive. Making them an EV will eat into internal space for battery packaging, so how will these be compared to the original, TINY, mini?
No, that can’t be true. Sounds like total nonsense. They already sell an EV variant and it doesn’t eat in to the cabin space.

dunnoreally

1,356 posts

138 months

Wednesday 3rd November 2021
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Maybe it's just because I haven't driven one, but I've never really "got" the new Mini. I'll admit the styling on the first two generations has aged well, though.

anonymous-user

84 months

Wednesday 3rd November 2021
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Love my f56, it's only a three door base spec diesel but it is characterful, huge fun to drive, very spacious behind the wheel and parsimonious. I will keep it till the neat falls off its bones.

GTEYE

2,499 posts

240 months

Wednesday 3rd November 2021
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big_rob_sydney said:
I just don't understand these at all.

Is it true that the new Mini has less space inside tan the original? And have you SEEN the size of the new ones? I pulled up next to a countryman / suv thingy, and it was massive. Making them an EV will eat into internal space for battery packaging, so how will these be compared to the original, TINY, mini?
Where have you been for the last 20 years?

It’s not really “new” anymore…

paulrockliffe

16,605 posts

257 months

Wednesday 3rd November 2021
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dunnoreally said:
Maybe it's just because I haven't driven one, but I've never really "got" the new Mini. I'll admit the styling on the first two generations has aged well, though.
They do look better over time, but that rule applies to every car. If looks are important though, how do you get past the fact that they have only ever sold a handful that don't have those ridiculous cheap black plastic arch wrap things?

Notice that this image hasn't been ruined by those arches, yet the production version will be.

BMWs 'problem' is that they started too big and got bigger, so while it's sold loads, it's never really been accepted as a replacement for the Mini. If they'd started with a city car sized Mini they could have snuck the Maxi in later and not have to deal with the same criticism every time they release a new model.

I put problem in inverted commas as clearly BMW know all this and prefer the huge stack of cash to the adulation of the Mini community.

sidesauce

2,967 posts

248 months

Wednesday 3rd November 2021
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paulrockliffe said:
clearly BMW know all this and prefer the huge stack of cash to the adulation of the Mini community.
As they rightfully should - they're (very thankfully) not trying to appease the Mini community, they're a business like any other; their primary goal is to make money.

JagYouAre

684 posts

200 months

Wednesday 3rd November 2021
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I hope they make the range better. I had a Cooper S ‘E’ as a courtesy car while my JCW was in for service this week and the range, from fully charged, said 96 miles. I thought this was pretty shocking, even if you only use it for trips to town. I had a 66 mile round trip to make to work and back to the garage and even that gave me range anxiety.

Other than that I thought it was ok, was my first experience of driving an electric car. Not sure I’d buy one over the petrol versions until I have to though.

Challo

12,783 posts

185 months

Wednesday 3rd November 2021
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big_rob_sydney said:
I just don't understand these at all.

Is it true that the new Mini has less space inside tan the original? And have you SEEN the size of the new ones? I pulled up next to a countryman / suv thingy, and it was massive. Making them an EV will eat into internal space for battery packaging, so how will these be compared to the original, TINY, mini?
The re-launched Mini's in 2002 where never known for their good use of internal space compared to their rivals. This hasn't changed over the generations, and you can buy far more spacious cars in 2021. Cars have become bigger due to all the various saftey requirements that they need to adhere too. Drive an old Mini and you realise how little protection they have.

Cars getting bigger has always been an issue. Compare the old original Fiesta to the new one and see how big and bloated its become.

The current EV mini has the same boot space at the ICE mini and I would suspect the same cabin space.

GiveItSomeWellie

3,174 posts

226 months

Wednesday 3rd November 2021
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rare6499 said:
Wow look at the short overhangs! That’s fantastic…just that alone is a MAJOR win, and much more like the R50.
Exactly my thinking too. I've had 1st and 2nd Gen MINIs (all used as I either wasn't old enough or had the money), finally got myself into a position where I might finally be able to buy a new MINI just when the F56 arrived, but even 7 years on I still haven't gelled with it.

kurokawa

662 posts

138 months

Wednesday 3rd November 2021
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big_rob_sydney said:
I just don't understand these at all.

Is it true that the new Mini has less space inside tan the original? And have you SEEN the size of the new ones? I pulled up next to a countryman / suv thingy, and it was massive. Making them an EV will eat into internal space for battery packaging, so how will these be compared to the original, TINY, mini?
Compare to original mini it is huge, but all modern car get larger
it is still shorter than my E36, slightly wider than my E36 but about the same size of my 3rd Gen Focus

paulrockliffe

16,605 posts

257 months

Wednesday 3rd November 2021
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Challo said:
Cars have become bigger due to all the various saftey requirements that they need to adhere too.
This is true to an extent, but there are cars that manage to provide far more internal space than the Mini in a smaller package, whilst also scoring top NCAP ratings. The truth is that size was never really on BMW's radar for the MIni.

147lusso

193 posts

172 months

Wednesday 3rd November 2021
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I would say to any sceptics to try the Electric MINI. The range isn't mind blowing, granted but should be sufficient for the majority of weekly commutes.

I just find the powertrain suits the car way more than the petrol variants.. immediate delivery makes for a really fun, zippy car around town - the silence from the motor also is welcome. The ICE variants don't have the most inspiring motors.

The traction control is also genuinely impressive.. the first system where I believe its more fun to drive with it on than off.

Rumblestripe

4,093 posts

192 months

Wednesday 3rd November 2021
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rare6499 said:
Wow look at the short overhangs! That’s fantastic…just that alone is a MAJOR win, and much more like the R50.
Yes, that was my big takeaway from the photographs. It does look more like the R56 than the F56 and that can only be a good thing. I really don't like the look of the F56, it is clumsy from so many angles this looks more, well, more "mini". I'd welcome a leccy Mini but as a minimum I'd want 200 miles range.

HorneyMX5

5,774 posts

180 months

Wednesday 3rd November 2021
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Looks awkward still. The rear lights are strangely high up and the screen rake is a bit shallow.