Charging an EV on holiday

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Jag_NE

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101 months

Tuesday 14th December 2021
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Hello all. Driving to France next year, booked up a Eurocamp caravan as digs. Would I be able to run a 3 pin granny charger (with an EU socket converter) or am I looking at needing to charge the car at a proper charge point? Cheers.

TheDeuce

21,891 posts

67 months

Tuesday 14th December 2021
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Yes, providing the adapter you use is rated to at least 13a...

The actual French sockets are rated to 16a I think, so can easily supply a plug in device designed for use with a 13a plug.

The voltage in the EU is a little lower than the UK, but well within the range of voltage your charger will accept - if you want reassurance just check the label on the charger wink


Jag_NE

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Tuesday 14th December 2021
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TheDeuce said:
Yes, providing the adapter you use is rated to at least 13a...

The actual French sockets are rated to 16a I think, so can easily supply a plug in device designed for use with a 13a plug.

The voltage in the EU is a little lower than the UK, but well within the range of voltage your charger will accept - if you want reassurance just check the label on the charger wink
Thanks!
By adaptor do you mean the 2 to 3 pin socket adaptor?

The park rep (who admittedly didn’t sound very clued up on this) said that the voltage on the parks is quite low and fairly easily tripped. Does this sound credible?

Heres Johnny

7,244 posts

125 months

Tuesday 14th December 2021
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Don't use one of those £1.99 plastic adapters you see hanging up at airports. You might find it a good investment to try and get an extension lead with a French/Schuko plug on one end and a UK socket the other, all rated for at least 13A (you can also make on yourself if you can get hold of a decent schuko plug and just change the plug on a good quality UK extension lead).

This has 2 benefits, one, you've more reach if there isn't a convenient socket nearby (remember to always fully unwind extension cables), and secondly you won't melt the adaptor onto your mobile car charger and render the whole thing unusable.

One thing to note about French wiring is they aren't very good at getting the Live and Neutrai the correct way round. Most car chargers aren't sensitive to this but some are, and if the socket is wired wrongly the charger can trip (the charger knows because the Neutral voltage is typically fairly close to Earth). Not a lot you can do in this case other than try and different socket.

SWoll

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259 months

Tuesday 14th December 2021
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Jag_NE said:
TheDeuce said:
Yes, providing the adapter you use is rated to at least 13a...

The actual French sockets are rated to 16a I think, so can easily supply a plug in device designed for use with a 13a plug.

The voltage in the EU is a little lower than the UK, but well within the range of voltage your charger will accept - if you want reassurance just check the label on the charger wink
Thanks!
By adaptor do you mean the 2 to 3 pin socket adaptor?

The park rep (who admittedly didn’t sound very clued up on this) said that the voltage on the parks is quite low and fairly easily tripped. Does this sound credible?
Yes. I'd be surprised if they were happy for you to do so and would definitely at least plan to use proper chargers personally. Charge rate is likely to be comically slow anyway?

Jag_NE

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Tuesday 14th December 2021
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SWoll said:
Jag_NE said:
TheDeuce said:
Yes, providing the adapter you use is rated to at least 13a...

The actual French sockets are rated to 16a I think, so can easily supply a plug in device designed for use with a 13a plug.

The voltage in the EU is a little lower than the UK, but well within the range of voltage your charger will accept - if you want reassurance just check the label on the charger wink
Thanks!
By adaptor do you mean the 2 to 3 pin socket adaptor?

The park rep (who admittedly didn’t sound very clued up on this) said that the voltage on the parks is quite low and fairly easily tripped. Does this sound credible?
Yes. I'd be surprised if they were happy for you to do so and would definitely at least plan to use proper chargers personally. Charge rate is likely to be comically slow anyway?
Yes I will need to plan for proper chargers by the look of things. I’d expect the charging to be comically slow but there will be periods where the car won’t move for days.

Mars

8,735 posts

215 months

Tuesday 14th December 2021
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TheDeuce said:
The voltage in the EU is a little lower than the UK
Pretty sure it's the same 230V/50Hz as here.

TheDeuce

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67 months

Tuesday 14th December 2021
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Mars said:
TheDeuce said:
The voltage in the EU is a little lower than the UK
Pretty sure it's the same 230V/50Hz as here.
we're normally a little higher voltage in reality, I find just over 240v.

Splitting hairs admittedly!

TheDeuce

21,891 posts

67 months

Tuesday 14th December 2021
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SWoll said:
Jag_NE said:
TheDeuce said:
Yes, providing the adapter you use is rated to at least 13a...

The actual French sockets are rated to 16a I think, so can easily supply a plug in device designed for use with a 13a plug.

The voltage in the EU is a little lower than the UK, but well within the range of voltage your charger will accept - if you want reassurance just check the label on the charger wink
Thanks!
By adaptor do you mean the 2 to 3 pin socket adaptor?

The park rep (who admittedly didn’t sound very clued up on this) said that the voltage on the parks is quite low and fairly easily tripped. Does this sound credible?
Yes. I'd be surprised if they were happy for you to do so and would definitely at least plan to use proper chargers personally. Charge rate is likely to be comically slow anyway?
The voltage will be mains voltage, approx 230v. The park rep is referring to the circuit protection to each circuit/plot/outlet. I would be surprised if it were less than 13a total though, so I wouldn't expect you trip it. The charger load is no greater than you plugging in a travel kettle and someone else using hair straighteners etc.

TheDeuce

21,891 posts

67 months

Tuesday 14th December 2021
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Heres Johnny said:
Don't use one of those £1.99 plastic adapters you see hanging up at airports. You might find it a good investment to try and get an extension lead with a French/Schuko plug on one end and a UK socket the other, all rated for at least 13A (you can also make on yourself if you can get hold of a decent schuko plug and just change the plug on a good quality UK extension lead).

This has 2 benefits, one, you've more reach if there isn't a convenient socket nearby (remember to always fully unwind extension cables), and secondly you won't melt the adaptor onto your mobile car charger and render the whole thing unusable.
I would do the very same. You might be able to find a 'travel adapter' that is good for at least 13a... the problem is that the connections they make aren't particularly solid, and at the level of current a poor connection could quickly get a bit toasty..

I agree, put the French plug on a 13a rated UK extension lead = no weak links, provided you can wire a plug correctly smile

this is my username

257 posts

61 months

Tuesday 14th December 2021
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If the Eurocamp electrics are anything like the ones that I experienced then expect your caravan to be hooked up to a very dodgy distribution board set up for a very low electrical demand. Any suggestion of a moderate load will have the CB popping before you can say "is it charging yet?"

I would absolutely not expect to be able to plug a car in to the caravan electrical supply in order to charge it.

TheDeuce

21,891 posts

67 months

Tuesday 14th December 2021
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this is my username said:
If the Eurocamp electrics are anything like the ones that I experienced then expect your caravan to be hooked up to a very dodgy distribution board set up for a very low electrical demand. Any suggestion of a moderate load will have the CB popping before you can say "is it charging yet?"

I would absolutely not expect to be able to plug a car in to the caravan electrical supply in order to charge it.
The charger is just 13amp...

If the supply to each caravan can't handle 13a then it would be hopeless.

ncjones

256 posts

216 months

Tuesday 14th December 2021
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Most French campsite electrics are 10a, quite a few are 6a.

RobbyJ

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223 months

Tuesday 14th December 2021
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I found this when I was thinking about the same:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/153152099134?epid=21760...

I get about 20% overnight on my Model S on a 3 pin plug and I've used this as my only power source on a few holidays now and never had a problem. Despite using the car every day on hols I still always managed to keep it well charged.

Edited by RobbyJ on Tuesday 14th December 19:35

TheRainMaker

6,364 posts

243 months

Tuesday 14th December 2021
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Depends on the car I guess, but the Polestar you can limit the power it takes, thing is even on a 13amp socket you would be looking at 40 hours to charge from flat.

Would be best to find a real charger and sit in the car and wait, good way to spend a holiday rofl

Jag_NE

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101 months

Tuesday 14th December 2021
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RobbyJ said:
I found this when I was thinking about the same:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07L2PDR6H/ref...

I get about 20% overnight on my Model S on a 3 pin plug and I've used this as my only power source on a few holidays now and never had a problem. Despite using the car every day on hols I still always managed to keep it well charged.
Sorry for the stupid question but shouldn’t that adapter have a two pin plug on it so it plugs straight into the local socket?

ncjones

256 posts

216 months

Tuesday 14th December 2021
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I haven't been with Eurocamp for years, but their caravans always used to have UK sockets. The campsite electric posts outside will either be two pin or will be the standard electric hook up sockets as per a UK campsite.

As my post above the electricity on a campsite is unlikely to be up to it though.

RobbyJ

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223 months

Tuesday 14th December 2021
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Jag_NE said:
Sorry for the stupid question but shouldn’t that adapter have a two pin plug on it so it plugs straight into the local socket?
I updated the link, I posted the wrong one! Don't worry, I was very much the stupid one.

Jag_NE

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Tuesday 14th December 2021
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RobbyJ said:
I updated the link, I posted the wrong one! Don't worry, I was very much the stupid one.
Top man, thanks.

audikentman

632 posts

243 months

Tuesday 14th December 2021
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Why not make an adaptor.

French male plug, short length of cable, female UK plug.

Then you can use your own charging lead.