RE: Caterham previews 'Project V' electric concept
RE: Caterham previews 'Project V' electric concept
Wednesday 7th June 2023

Caterham previews 'Project V' electric concept

Not just electric - but apparently with a roof, too!


You wait ages for a new Caterham and then, out of the blue, two come along at once. A couple of weeks ago, the British marque threw its hat into the electric sports car ring by announcing a battery-powered concept based on the legendary Seven. Now, it’s teased another concept that, from the looks of it, appears to abandon the Seven platform altogether.

Not that we’ve got a lot to go on here, because the only thing Caterham has revealed about its ‘Project V’ concept is that’ll be powered by an “electric powertrain”. A bold move for a carmaker that specialises in all things featherweight, but the company reiterates that whatever Project V turns out to be will be “driver-focused, lightweight and fun to drive.” Not convinced? For its Seven EV concept, Caterham is targeting a mere 70kg increase over the combustion-powered 485 and a weight distribution within two per cent. Needless to say, it’s taking the lightweight EV sports car thing very seriously.

As for the way it looks, well, this shadowy image is all we’ve got to go off. Doesn’t look like a Seven, does it? Three simple lines hint at a low nose, a proper roof (!) and wheel arches. Unless it's gone and stapled some bodywork to a Seven, all signs to this being the company’s first all-new road car since the AeroSeven Concept which, as the name suggests, was based on the Seven... and never made production.

Let’s hope the same fate won’t befall Project V because a lightweight, all-electric sports car sounds rather appealing when Caterham is involved. Looks like we won’t have that long a wait to see what the company’s up to, as a countdown on the Project V landing page would suggest an official unveiling in mid-July. In the meantime, you can register you interest in one and/or speculate to your heart’s content in the comments below. 


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Fastlane

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1,349 posts

247 months

Wednesday 7th June 2023
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But I want my lightweight car to go brum, brum otherwise it hasn't got any soul.

Equus

16,980 posts

131 months

Wednesday 7th June 2023
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Looks good from the limited profile shown - will be interesing to see full details.

But it won't sell, because Caterham's customer base are too reactionary.

Edited by Equus on Wednesday 7th June 11:53

Olibol

162 posts

115 months

Wednesday 7th June 2023
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Equus said:
Looks good form the limited profile shown - will be interesing to see full details.

But it won't sell, because Caterham's customer base are too reactionary.
Who knows, Caterham might find a new, less elderly and reactionary user base. Particularly if they beat Lotus and Alpine to market and keep the price moderately accessible.

Speaking as a Caterham driver

TheOctaneAddict

1,266 posts

77 months

Wednesday 7th June 2023
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Silhouette looks good, a little dino here, a little A110 there. Excited to see what it looks like, for me a sportscar needs an engine though.

Theexscientist

22 posts

107 months

Wednesday 7th June 2023
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Looks great but think the biggest issue is going to be the lack of a manual. and price, it'll cost a load.

SpudLink

8,215 posts

222 months

Wednesday 7th June 2023
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TheOctaneAddict said:
Silhouette looks good, a little dino here, a little A110 there. Excited to see what it looks like, for me a sportscar needs an engine though.
Silhouette looks excellent.

I imagine 'lightweight' is going to be a relative term. But apparently we will find out soon.

Equus

16,980 posts

131 months

Wednesday 7th June 2023
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Olibol said:
Who knows, Caterham might find a new, less elderly and reactionary user base.
It would be nice to think so.

But unfortunately they have a long and distinguished history of failing to do so on everything else they've tried (21, Caterola, CSR, Alpine collaboration, AeroSeven...), so their track record is very much against them (pun intentional).

braddo

12,361 posts

218 months

Wednesday 7th June 2023
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Equus said:
But it won't sell, because Caterham's customer base are too reactionary.
Every single Caterham thread, you just love putting the boot in to the customers and the company... rolleyes

Yet Caterham is the most successful kit car manufactuer with the most valuable brand equity in the UK.

damonbill

278 posts

275 months

Wednesday 7th June 2023
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TheOctaneAddict said:
Silhouette looks good, a little dino here, a little A110 there. Excited to see what it looks like, for me a sportscar needs an engine though.
why? I'm not being confrontational, just curious to know. What it is about an ice powertrain that electric can't deliver when it comes to a sportscar package

Equus

16,980 posts

131 months

Wednesday 7th June 2023
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braddo said:
Yet Caterham is the most successful kit car manufactuer...
At building a single product that they can't seem to break away from, and that is rapidly heading toward obsolesence, is their problem.

And the whole UK kit car industry is fked, so 'most successful kit car manufacturer' is looking increasingly like a millstone rather than a badge of honour.

You probably won't believe me, but I genuinely want to see Caterham survive (and I'm a long-standing kit-car enthusiast, so it gives me no pleasure to witness the drawn-out death of that industry, either, but the reality is there whether you like it or not).

Nomme de Plum

7,050 posts

46 months

Wednesday 7th June 2023
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damonbill said:
TheOctaneAddict said:
Silhouette looks good, a little dino here, a little A110 there. Excited to see what it looks like, for me a sportscar needs an engine though.
why? I'm not being confrontational, just curious to know. What it is about an ice powertrain that electric can't deliver when it comes to a sportscar package
There are currently weight challenges for a car designed to be lightweight and nimble. These will be engineered away in a few years.

I suspect the rest is prejudice and reluctance to accept change.



Nish Gnackers

1,173 posts

71 months

Wednesday 7th June 2023
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Bit of plagiarism here methinks wink


Bracken

91 posts

268 months

Wednesday 7th June 2023
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I'm excited by this, especially if it becomes (borderline) everyday useable biggrin

leglessAlex

7,375 posts

171 months

Wednesday 7th June 2023
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I'd absolutely love one, and while I'm sure the list of names down with their client base is already long, I wonder if they'd like another addition to it...

I imagine it'll be light in terms of battery cars and what cars weigh now, rather than what we previously thought of as light. I'd take anything around a ton with a 200 mile cruising range and 70 mile fast driving range.

TikTak

3,119 posts

49 months

Wednesday 7th June 2023
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i mean it doesn't give much away huh.

Alternative to something like the Alpine I guess, depending how much range they sacrifice for lightness. 1000kgs seems very ambitious especially to keep it with decent range.

otolith

69,225 posts

234 months

Wednesday 7th June 2023
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Equus said:
Looks good from the limited profile shown - will be interesing to see full details.

But it won't sell, because Caterham's customer base are too reactionary.
Poor old Jannarelly, he can't win with you, can he?

Equus said:
What Antony Jannarelly Said:

“My vision for a future Caterham will explore my retro-futuristic design philosophy”

.What Antony Jannarelly meant:

"I'm going to take a big fat consultancy fee as Caterham's new Chief Designer, without actually changing their design in any meaningful way whatsoever."

You've got to admire his chutzpah?

rofl



Edited by Equus on Wednesday 24th May 22:01

Equus

16,980 posts

131 months

Wednesday 7th June 2023
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Otolith said:
Poor old Jannarelly, he can't win with you, can he?
I do like this design (what we can see of it so far). I quite liked the 21 and Aeroseven, too, and think that the CSR was technically a step in the right direction, with much more advanced suspension and chassis design than the S3.

Poor old Jannarelly is probably onto a loser, though, because poor old Caterham is onto a loser too: everything they do, bless them, is rejected by their established customer base.

Perhaps it's just a matter of them sticking to something long enough for a new customer base, and acceptance of the changes, to build up? It worked for Morgan, who took a good few years to build up an acceptance of the Aero, which led to an acceptance of their current, more modern chassis designs.

Caterham has perhaps given up too quickly, in the past, rather than 'carrying' a product at a loss and low volumes, initially, until it develops a big enough following to sustain itself. The problem with this one is that such a step change in design will cost a stload to develop (unlike the 21, Caterola - which was basically an existing Lola design - CSR and AeroSeven), so they'll no doubt need to start recouping that investment pretty quickly.

Poor old Jannarelly probably won't care, though, so long as his consultancy fee is big enough! smile

autumnsum

435 posts

61 months

Wednesday 7th June 2023
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I love watching all the boomers crying over electric cars lol

No one likes hearing you rev your engines, all I ever hear people say is 'wker'.

sidesauce

2,967 posts

248 months

Wednesday 7th June 2023
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autumnsum said:
I love watching all the boomers crying over electric cars lol

No one likes hearing you rev your engines, all I ever hear people say is 'wker'.
This. a thousand times over.

framerateuk

2,949 posts

214 months

Wednesday 7th June 2023
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Olibol said:
Who knows, Caterham might find a new, less elderly and reactionary user base. Particularly if they beat Lotus and Alpine to market and keep the price moderately accessible.

Speaking as a Caterham driver
Agreed.

Speaking as a less than 40 years old Caterham owner. I'm genuinely excited to see what they come up with.