Lying in evidence for a final written warning meeting

[elanfan]

Family member has a meeting prior to getting a final written warning. It is obvious that the complainant a senior member of staff has lied to shift the blame from themselves to my relative and they got their story in first. The consequence for them is that they could be struck off. My relative could get sacked. (Whilst literally in process of buying a property).

I have drafted a complaint to the most senior member of staff accusing the perpetrator of lying to cover their tracks and asking for a formal complaint to be raised.

Not sure what else to do it’ll be easier for them to cover up and lay the blame on the junior. It ought to be obvious who is lying and why.

Not sure why I’m posting unless someone has any helpful suggestion.

[Countdown]

Apologies if I’m missing something. How do they know they’re getting a final written warning? Has the investigation already happened?

Also if they’re getting a FWW surely they won’t be getting the sack? You can’t get both at the same time

[smithsi]

Things to ask might start with:

1. What is the displinary procedure?
2. Has the disciplinary procedure been followed?
3. Is there an appeal process?
4. What evidence is their to corroborate or disprove the allegations

I'm not a lawyer so might be advisable to get some legal advice from a solicitor or citizens advice bureau

[DanL]

elanfan said:

Family member has a meeting prior to getting a final written warning. It is obvious that the complainant a senior member of staff has lied to shift the blame from themselves to my relative and they got their story in first. The consequence for them is that they could be struck off. My relative could get sacked. (Whilst literally in process of buying a property).

I have drafted a complaint to the most senior member of staff accusing the perpetrator of lying to cover their tracks and asking for a formal complaint to be raised.

Not sure what else to do it’ll be easier for them to cover up and lay the blame on the junior. It ought to be obvious who is lying and why.

Not sure why I’m posting unless someone has any helpful suggestion.

While I understand the desire to help a family member, it’s unclear to me what you writing a complaint is expected to achieve, given that it’s nothing to do with you. Or did you draft the letter for your family member to submit?

Also (to get ahead of the usual PH question ) - how do you know who’s lying?

[MDMA .]

DanL said:

elanfan said:

Family member has a meeting prior to getting a final written warning. It is obvious that the complainant a senior member of staff has lied to shift the blame from themselves to my relative and they got their story in first. The consequence for them is that they could be struck off. My relative could get sacked. (Whilst literally in process of buying a property).

I have drafted a complaint to the most senior member of staff accusing the perpetrator of lying to cover their tracks and asking for a formal complaint to be raised.

Not sure what else to do it’ll be easier for them to cover up and lay the blame on the junior. It ought to be obvious who is lying and why.

Not sure why I’m posting unless someone has any helpful suggestion.

While I understand the desire to help a family member, it’s unclear to me what you writing a complaint is expected to achieve, given that it’s nothing to do with you. Or did you draft the letter for your family member to submit?

Also (to get ahead of the usual PH question ) - how do you know who’s lying?

And what was their first warning for

[vaud]

smithsi said:

I'm not a lawyer so might be advisable to get some legal advice from a solicitor or citizens advice bureau

Or ACAS.

[elanfan]

To try to answer some questions.

I know the family member very well and I know for certain it’s not them that’s lying. It’s plain the other party is lying to save their skin. There are written disciplinary procedures. I wrote complaint on behalf of FM. The investigation has been done and we have notes which detail the lies told.

Edited by elanfan on Sunday 19th November 22:43

[OzzyR1]

If the anticipated outcome is a final written warning for your relative, what is the history that led to this? A FWW is usually preceded by other notices.

You say the senior staff member may be struck off, which suggests a professional body involved & regulated disciplinary procedures adhered to.

[Jasandjules]

elanfan said:

To try to answer some questions.

I know the family member very well and I know for certain it’s not them that’s lying. It’s plain the other party is lying to save their skin. There are written disciplinary procedures. I wrote complaint on behalf of FM. The investigation has been done and we have notes which detail the lies told.

Edited by elanfan on Sunday 19th November 22:43

You have notes, is that a contemporaneous record of a meeting or somesuch?

[Countdown]

elanfan said:

To try to answer some questions.

I know the family member very well and I know for certain it’s not them that’s lying. It’s plain the other party is lying to save their skin. There are written disciplinary procedures. I wrote complaint on behalf of FM. The investigation has been done and we have notes which detail the lies told.

Edited by elanfan on Sunday 19th November 22:43

Based on my experience there should be an internal appeals process. If there isn't, or you have tried and exhausted it without satisfaction then you may be able to take them to Employment Tribunal.

[Jasandjules]

Countdown said:

Based on my experience there should be an internal appeals process. If there isn't, or you have tried and exhausted it without satisfaction then you may be able to take them to Employment Tribunal.

The difficulty will be that it is likely to be considered reasonable for an employer to accept the word of one employee over another absent some clear evidence to the contrary. Hence the request to establish what evidence there is.......