RE: Hamilton's first AMG F1 car makes £15m

RE: Hamilton's first AMG F1 car makes £15m

Monday 20th November 2023

Hamilton's first AMG F1 car fetches £15m

Iconic 2013 F1W04 marked the end of the V8 era - and the start of Lewis Hamilton's F1 dominance


The statistics of Lewis Hamilton’s long (and ongoing) F1 career really are astonishing: he’s won 103 times, claimed 104 pole positions and been on the podium 197 times. Nobody else even comes close at this moment in time; Michael Schumacher notched up 91 wins, 68 poles and 155 podiums. He’s one of the greatest sports stars of all time, to put it mildly. And although his career (and championship winning) began at McLaren, it’s Hamilton’s seasons with the Mercedes-AMG Petronas F1 team that really secured his legendary status. So the sale of his first GP car with the Silver Arrows, a car from the final season of V8s in the sport, was always going to garner an awful lot of interest. 

As it transpired, Hamilton’s F1 W04 sold in an RM Sotheby's auction for $18,815,000 over the weekend, or just less than £15.1m. Never mind that 2013 wasn’t a championship winning year - Lewis took fourth, more than 200 points behind Sebastian Vettel - chassis 04 remains a very significant Formula 1 car. Notably, he drove this one a lot - it wasn’t merely one for testing or used on the odd weekend. In 14 of the 19 races of the 2013 season, Lewis Hamilton drove this car, including four of his five podiums that year. 

Moreover, the emotional pull of this car as one of the final Mercedes V8 F1 cars (and the only one sold outside of the MB organisation) shouldn’t be underestimated. Yes, there was a KERS system, previewing the full hybrid that would follow a year later, though it was supporting a 2.4-litre, 18,000rpm, 750hp V8. And there’s really no replicating that. That this car represents Mercedes’ and Hamilton’s first step on the path to utter dominance of Formula 1 will have surely proved pretty persuasive, too. ‘Unrepeatable’ is too often used when trying to sell cars, usually when an old Golf GTI has low mileage, but there really won’t be another opportunity like this. Hence paying the £15m. RM even went as far to suggest that these modern Silver Arrows can be considered the successors to those great grand prix racers of Fangio, Moss and Caracciola; from there it’s not much of a leap to the 300 SLR Uhlenhaut, the most valuable car ever sold at auction. It’s a £15m bargain, basically. 

All joking aside, RM’s Las Vegas sale was a successful one when it came to Mercedes Benzes. A CLK GTR Roadster, the third of six ever made and having been driven just 100 miles since 2002, sold for $10m, or just over £8.2m. Still less than a McLaren F1 might cost. A stunning 190E Evo II made more than half a million bucks, a CLK DTM in excess of $700,000. Just the thing for getting to the circuit and taking your F1 car for a drive…


 

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fantheman80

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1,483 posts

51 months

Monday 20th November 2023
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Wow that front nose opening, like a basking shark

Turbobanana

6,362 posts

203 months

Monday 20th November 2023
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Article said:
A CLK GTR Roadster, the third of six ever made and having been driven just 100 miles since 2002, sold for $10m, or just over £8.2m.
Odd to think that, with the use this chassis had in period, this car:



has a significantly higher mileage than this car:


Motormouth88

260 posts

62 months

Monday 20th November 2023
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That evo 2 and dtm oh my lordy

smilo996

2,827 posts

172 months

Monday 20th November 2023
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Would it even be feasible to keep it in driving order and use or is it just a large domestic phallus?

LotusOmega375D

7,743 posts

155 months

Monday 20th November 2023
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One of the other CLK GTR roadsters used to be on display at MB World, Brooklands 10 years ago. Grey with burgundy leather interior IIRC. Not sure what wheels that 190E Evo 2 is wearing. As for Hamilton’s F1 car? I don’t really see the value in it: ugly, unsuccessful and barely usable. I reckon a super rich guy got over-excited at Las Vegas and woke up with a hangover and £15m missing from his bank account.


LotusOmega375D

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Turbobanana said:
Article said:
A CLK GTR Roadster, the third of six ever made and having been driven just 100 miles since 2002, sold for $10m, or just over £8.2m.
What about the 3 or 4 years prior to 2002 though? Could have been round the clock!

Turbobanana

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203 months

Monday 20th November 2023
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LotusOmega375D said:
Turbobanana said:
Article said:
A CLK GTR Roadster, the third of six ever made and having been driven just 100 miles since 2002, sold for $10m, or just over £8.2m.
What about the 3 or 4 years prior to 2002 though? Could have been round the clock!
Eh?

Catalogue says it's a 2002 car.

LotusOmega375D

7,743 posts

155 months

Monday 20th November 2023
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Sorry, I didn’t realise they were built so long after the coupes. This is the one I saw at MB World, owned by exiled Indian player Vijay Mallya. I am sure the Indian tax authorities would like to get their hands on it!


okv3

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198 months

Monday 20th November 2023
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LotusOmega375D said:
Sorry, I didn’t realise they were built so long after the coupes. This is the one I saw at MB World, owned by exiled Indian player Vijay Mallya. I am sure the Indian tax authorities would like to get their hands on it!

The car no longer belongs to Vijay Mallya, it has since been sold and has been re-trimmed and recomissioned by DK Engineering.

The car was ordered new by the Sultan of Brunei, but was never delivered.


EmailAddress

12,258 posts

220 months

Monday 20th November 2023
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Turbobanana said:
LotusOmega375D said:
Article said:
A CLK GTR Roadster, the third of six ever made and having been driven just 100 miles since 2002, sold for $10m, or just over £8.2m.
What about the 3 or 4 years prior to 2002 though? Could have been round the clock!
Eh?

Catalogue says it's a 2002 car.
He's - a - joking. It's a funny.

dunnoreally

993 posts

110 months

Monday 20th November 2023
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smilo996 said:
Would it even be feasible to keep it in driving order and use or is it just a large domestic phallus?
I'm sure if you can afford the £15m price of entry, necessary maintenance could probably be arranged. Probably too expensive to make the car make the least bit of sense as an investment though, so I doubt it will actually happen.

GroundEffect

13,863 posts

158 months

Monday 20th November 2023
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fantheman80 said:
Wow that front nose opening, like a basking shark
As the V8 era went on, the noses got higher and higher (up to their limit) and along their flanks got closed off. Not having been in the wind tunnel, it's hard to tell exactly but it appears to funnel air flow the "bib" of the floor, which will be there to raise the pressure above the floor as much as possible to increase the pressure drop and therefore increase downforce of the floor front edge. Also the flanks along the side (effectively closing the underside of the nose in a box) would help this but I'm sure also make a difference in yaw/cornering.

For 2014 they stipulated a lower height of the nose, and a min cross-section at various points from the nose back. A good intention to try and reduce the risk of a issues in the event of crashes that ended up with these monstrocities:






thegreenhell

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221 months

Monday 20th November 2023
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We must have just got used to the looks at the time, but that F1 car hasn't aged well at all. Even by modern F1 standards, it's had a few whacks with the ugly stick.

pquinn

7,167 posts

48 months

Monday 20th November 2023
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dunnoreally said:
smilo996 said:
Would it even be feasible to keep it in driving order and use or is it just a large domestic phallus?
I'm sure if you can afford the £15m price of entry, necessary maintenance could probably be arranged. Probably too expensive to make the car make the least bit of sense as an investment though, so I doubt it will actually happen.
Not enough detail anywhere to describe how complete it actually is beyond the rolling chassis.

Wouldn't bet against a lot of important bits just not being there at all even if you had the funds & inclination to try to run it.


Jack4688

78 posts

155 months

Monday 20th November 2023
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Iconic?

Can someone please explain to me what that word means nowadays because it’s just attached anything at any given moment

ralphrj

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193 months

Monday 20th November 2023
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LotusOmega375D] said:
As for Hamilton’s F1 car? I don’t really see the value in it: ugly, unsuccessful and barely usable.
It is a surprising price for an F1 car that few people probably remember.

In comparison this car won the 1993 Monaco Grand Prix in the hands of Ayrton Senna. It was his 5th victory at Monaco which is still a record. It was also his final race around Monaco. The car comes complete with the engine and gearbox used in the race. It sold for €4,197,500 at auction in 2018 - less than a third of the price paid for the Mercedes. I can think of a few reasons why the McLaren may not have sold for quite as much. Teams used to make more cars back then (the McLaren is chassis number 6 of 8) and as their financial position has become less secure McLaren have been more open to selling their heritage cars so the opportunity to buy one is not unique. In comparison, the Mercedes is the only one the team has sold. On the other hand, this McLaren is quite a famous F1 car so I would have expected it to fetch much more.


BunkMoreland

448 posts

9 months

Monday 20th November 2023
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pquinn said:
Not enough detail anywhere to describe how complete it actually is beyond the rolling chassis.

Wouldn't bet against a lot of important bits just not being there at all even if you had the funds & inclination to try to run it.
Companies like Paul Lanzante Ltd do a lot of work with various private individuals who own McLaren Formula 1 cars. They were doing the old 80s/90s Marlboro coloured cars at Velocity Invitational recently.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/ClzODB3Ic_f/

Igntion GP have run some the old McLarens in the past

Harrison Newey in Kimis car
https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cf_PoGnKVWj/

fantheman80

Original Poster:

1,483 posts

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Monday 20th November 2023
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GroundEffect said:
fantheman80 said:
Wow that front nose opening, like a basking shark
As the V8 era went on, the noses got higher and higher (up to their limit) and along their flanks got closed off. Not having been in the wind tunnel, it's hard to tell exactly but it appears to funnel air flow the "bib" of the floor, which will be there to raise the pressure above the floor as much as possible to increase the pressure drop and therefore increase downforce of the floor front edge. Also the flanks along the side (effectively closing the underside of the nose in a box) would help this but I'm sure also make a difference in yaw/cornering.

For 2014 they stipulated a lower height of the nose, and a min cross-section at various points from the nose back. A good intention to try and reduce the risk of a issues in the event of crashes that ended up with these monstrocities:



I had forgotten how bad they were..!



Thanks for the info sir beer

MDMA .

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103 months

Monday 20th November 2023
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LotusOmega375D said:
Not sure what wheels that 190E Evo 2 is wearing.
Description shows it being a heavily modified, non standard car. DTM spec, OZ centre locks.

JJJ.

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17 months

Monday 20th November 2023
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MDMA . said:
LotusOmega375D said:
Not sure what wheels that 190E Evo 2 is wearing.
Description shows it being a heavily modified, non standard car. DTM spec, OZ centre locks.
They look more like Compomotive's with a centre cap covering the five studs.

Regardless, it's fabulous car and must be pushing an extra 30bhp + over standard. Still, it's far closer to an original than a DTM version that auction blurb could lead one to believe.