RE: New 911 Turbo mule hints at facelifted front end
RE: New 911 Turbo mule hints at facelifted front end
Monday 22nd January 2024

New 911 Turbo mule hints at facelifted front end

Porsche is busy readying the 992.2 for its unveiling; here's a preview of what shape the new Turbo will take...


You know how it goes with Porsche 911s - once the really crazy one has been made, it’s time to announce the new normal version to stop people obsessing over 8,500rpm and manuals too much. The 997 GT3 RS 4.0 arrived just before the 991 generation, the 911 R just before the introduction of turbo Carreras, and now the S/T is here, so a full range refresh must be imminent. This Turbo test mule is our best look yet at what a 992.2 will be. 

Most could probably have guessed a revised 911 would look like the outgoing car; it’s a strategy that’s served Porsche well for decades, and in times of such uncertainty it’s not going to start meddling with its evolutionary facelift strategy now. That being said, this is the most significantly altered 992.2 spied yet, with what looks like new bumpers front and rear as well as the LED light design seen elsewhere in the Porsche lineup. It looks… well, it looks like a 992 in the snow, to be frank. It doesn’t seem like a whole lot has changed until the details are pointed out. 

Much more is expected under the skin, however, with the option of newly electrified powertrains coming for the 911. It had been suggested that the incoming Turbo would inherit the 48-volt mild hybrid system Porsche apparently has lined up for the 3.0-litre derivatives - but now it seems like the flagship might retain its pure ICE layout, albeit with a rumoured new 3.6-litre flat-six in place of the existing motor. If true, this will probably be a radical enough change for most Porsche fanatics, especially as the Carrera-bound hybrid system supposedly developed with Rimac will be chewed over at great length - even allowing for the fact that the manufacturer has already assured us that it will not need to be plugged in. 

None of that is official just yet, of course, though Porsche has been fairly upfront about its intention to hybridise the 992. Even the 911 must conform to legislative trends in time, and electrifying it innovatively - i.e. not adding many kilos, and improving the weight balance by placing a small battery up front - feels quite a Porsche way of doing it. While also making the four-wheel drive cars even madly faster, presumably. The 2025 Model Year 911 is coming at some point later this year, so expect all those details to be fleshed out and made official in due course. And while it's probably a given that you'll need sharp eyes to tell it apart from its predecessor, the 992.2 looks set to be among the more memorable 911 facelifts. 


Image credit | Baldauf

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Resolutionary

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201 months

Monday 22nd January 2024
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hehe

Wab1974uk

1,397 posts

57 months

Monday 22nd January 2024
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So, pretty much like the current one then. Big News !

PRO 5T

7,606 posts

55 months

Monday 22nd January 2024
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It kind of is big news in the Porsche world I suppose, the mid season upgrade to the power trains has been going on for decades and it’s served them well-it means they only develop one thing at a time I suppose, running gear one model, chassis/body/interior the next.

thelostboy

4,700 posts

255 months

Monday 22nd January 2024
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I raced with a Porsche development driver last year. I told him how great the 992 Turbo I tried was compared to the 991; my experience left me wondering whether you needed a separate trackday car like a GT3 when the Turbo was so complete.

He turned round and said that the outgoing 992 was effectively terrible, and this was much improved. And that it would be hybrid. I'm not a particularly techy person but he said it was derived from the Le Mans stuff.

NDNDNDND

2,546 posts

213 months

Monday 22nd January 2024
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It's sort of dominated by its own wheels.

It reminds me of an Amish buggy.


WCZ

11,518 posts

224 months

Monday 22nd January 2024
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thelostboy said:
I raced with a Porsche development driver last year. I told him how great the 992 Turbo I tried was compared to the 991; my experience left me wondering whether you needed a separate trackday car like a GT3 when the Turbo was so complete.

He turned round and said that the outgoing 992 was effectively terrible, and this was much improved. And that it would be hybrid. I'm not a particularly techy person but he said it was derived from the Le Mans stuff.
some people including Matt Watson prefered the 992 Turbo S on track than the GT3

I'd imagine this one to be even more of a weapon which is saying something!

redroadster

1,886 posts

262 months

Monday 22nd January 2024
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Gt3 would not be able to keep up with a turbo on our rds these are weapons .

Simoninspalding

176 posts

41 months

Monday 22nd January 2024
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NDNDNDND said:
It's sort of dominated by its own wheels.

It reminds me of an Amish buggy.

Don't be ridiculous, that's clearly got the engine in the wrong place for a 911!hehe

9k rpm

615 posts

240 months

Monday 22nd January 2024
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Are they fitting these mild hybrid systems to lower the overall emissions or is it just a (not so cunning) ploy to bump up the cost and part more people with their hard earned cash?

I have a 992 C2S and the engine hardly needs any assistance in terms of plugging any holes in the power or torque delivery! Given the extra weight I don’t really see the point. I’m sure the interior upgrades will be nice, I wonder if you’ll actually be able to see the outer bits of the screen without cranking your neck…..

GTRene

22,513 posts

254 months

Monday 22nd January 2024
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992 Turbo now 680ps and the 992 Turbo S 720 ps?

just guessing :heheh:

smilo996

3,839 posts

200 months

Monday 22nd January 2024
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Hints? like turning the rear deck grill elements from horizontal to vertical and calling it all new.
The 911 Emperor's new clothes edition.

el romeral

2,167 posts

167 months

Monday 22nd January 2024
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Looks terrible in quadruple black over black with black and more black.

chrisironside

967 posts

192 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2024
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Barely recognised it!

Schermerhorn

4,353 posts

219 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2024
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thelostboy said:
I raced with a Porsche development driver last year. I told him how great the 992 Turbo I tried was compared to the 991; my experience left me wondering whether you needed a separate trackday car like a GT3 when the Turbo was so complete.

He turned round and said that the outgoing 992 was effectively terrible, and this was much improved. And that it would be hybrid. I'm not a particularly techy person but he said it was derived from the Le Mans stuff.
The 911 Turbo S with hybrid power would be unreal.

Grantstown

1,367 posts

117 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2024
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I struggle to see why a Porsche engineer would describe the 992 turbo as terrible. Maybe a mechanic might not like working on them, but that’s not the customers problem.

dunnoreally

1,356 posts

138 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2024
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That's as may be, but why's the photo of a wide body 997 with funny headlights biggrin

turbobloke

117,215 posts

290 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2024
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el romeral said:
Looks terrible in quadruple black over black with black and more black.
The front end would look terrible in any scheme.

simonrockman

7,120 posts

285 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2024
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Resolutionary said:
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Quite. 911s are like iPhones, they make regular incremental changes and the world reacts as though each one is some great new innovation.

magic Monkey Dust

407 posts

66 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2024
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I think the back end looks better than current Turbo. The non sport base models rear number plate location is ugly.
The Fiat 500 design is about 15 years old now and still one of Europes top selling cars. Maybe most people don't demand constant change to the designs, I keep buying 911's because I like the design ethos.
And I have a Fiat 500 too.

s94wht

2,217 posts

89 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2024
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Can we talk about those brake discs?

Hhnngh