"Unregistered Vehicle" Offence
Discussion
Bit of an unusual one (to me at least)
Someone i know bought a Motocross motorbike earlier this year.
They had it stored in a shed in their mum's garden for 2 weeks whilst they had more appropriate storage sorted out.
They don't live with their mum and haven't done so for many years.
This was back in February sometime.
When they were moving the bike to the new unit, it was wheeled out from the garden, down the driveway and onto the pavement / road for about 5 seconds / 5 feet before it was then pushed onto the back of the transport vehicle to be taken away,
Queue this week where the person's mother got a letter in their name (not the mother's) with an FPN for an unregistered vehicle offence. FPN is apparantly £175.
There's a neighbour who has recently moved into the street accross from their mum's house and in the 1 and a half years they have been living there they've had the Police out to visit them at least 20 times for various things to do with other neighbours.
He had a camera set up facing this person's mum's house, however the camera has recently been removed.
The Police somehow knew the name of the person who apparantly has commited an offence and have informed them in the letter they have suficient evidence to prosecute, so assuming it's footage from the camera from over the road.
What would you do in this scenario? Is it really in the public's interest to prosecute someone for using a Motocross bike for a few seconds / feet to push it onto the back of a van?
I've advised them not to pay it, and to go to court in the hope the witness who submitted the evidence doesn't turn up, or they can try and convince the judge it's a non issue.
Someone i know bought a Motocross motorbike earlier this year.
They had it stored in a shed in their mum's garden for 2 weeks whilst they had more appropriate storage sorted out.
They don't live with their mum and haven't done so for many years.
This was back in February sometime.
When they were moving the bike to the new unit, it was wheeled out from the garden, down the driveway and onto the pavement / road for about 5 seconds / 5 feet before it was then pushed onto the back of the transport vehicle to be taken away,
Queue this week where the person's mother got a letter in their name (not the mother's) with an FPN for an unregistered vehicle offence. FPN is apparantly £175.
There's a neighbour who has recently moved into the street accross from their mum's house and in the 1 and a half years they have been living there they've had the Police out to visit them at least 20 times for various things to do with other neighbours.
He had a camera set up facing this person's mum's house, however the camera has recently been removed.
The Police somehow knew the name of the person who apparantly has commited an offence and have informed them in the letter they have suficient evidence to prosecute, so assuming it's footage from the camera from over the road.
What would you do in this scenario? Is it really in the public's interest to prosecute someone for using a Motocross bike for a few seconds / feet to push it onto the back of a van?
I've advised them not to pay it, and to go to court in the hope the witness who submitted the evidence doesn't turn up, or they can try and convince the judge it's a non issue.
I'm wondering how they would prove that the person used/kept the vehicle if they weren't stopped at the time? I don't think the DVLA can force the person to attend court and point at them and say "this photo is them"! Also as mentioned the neighbour would need to be available as a witness to state where/when they took the video.
Is is possible that the friend was stopped at some other time and isn't telling the whole story?
Is is possible that the friend was stopped at some other time and isn't telling the whole story?
solo2 said:
To me if it was being pushed and the engine was not running I fail to see the offense but if it was being ridden with the engine on then that might be a slightly different matter. Seriously though, someone is being a total jobsworth
Even simply riding it off the driveway and up onto the trailer to save pushing wouldnt be the end of the world either.On a similar note, I have an SORNed and un-MOT'd car locked in the garage. If I want to relocate it'll have to be on the public highway (albeit in a very quiet cul-de-sac) for the few metres that it takes to get it from the garage to a trailer. I have wondered what the consequences would be if someone suitably jobsworthy happened to witness it being moved.
We've heard on here of people getting nicked for putting a SORN car on the highway for an hour or two.
Outcome was 2x the £650 VED or something?
So you probably don't need the engine to be running for the offence to be committed, it's a vehicle, it's on the road, it's not legal you're in the wrong?
I suspect the real problem might be, there are a lot of a
holes with dirt bikes in the 'burbs, so edge cases don't get treated kindly by plod?
Outcome was 2x the £650 VED or something?
So you probably don't need the engine to be running for the offence to be committed, it's a vehicle, it's on the road, it's not legal you're in the wrong?
I suspect the real problem might be, there are a lot of a
holes with dirt bikes in the 'burbs, so edge cases don't get treated kindly by plod?If the neighbour still has cameras pointing out into the road, or the OPs front garden, there has been a very public recent court case where the offending neighbour was fined and served with a camera take-down over violating the offended parties privacy. Might be helpful to review, and take a decision on.
Steve-B said:
If the neighbour still has cameras pointing out into the road, or the OPs front garden, there has been a very public recent court case where the offending neighbour was fined and served with a camera take-down over violating the offended parties privacy. Might be helpful to review, and take a decision on.
That was in relation to a complaint of harassment, breach of DPA regs so not quite equitable. https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/0...
ICO issues guidance on home CCTV (https://ico.org.uk/for-the-public/domestic-cctv-systems/)
Retroman said:
Bit of an unusual one (to me at least)
Someone i know bought a Motocross motorbike earlier this year.
They had it stored in a shed in their mum's garden for 2 weeks whilst they had more appropriate storage sorted out.
They don't live with their mum and haven't done so for many years.
This was back in February sometime.
When they were moving the bike to the new unit, it was wheeled out from the garden, down the driveway and onto the pavement / road for about 5 seconds / 5 feet before it was then pushed onto the back of the transport vehicle to be taken away,
Queue this week where the person's mother got a letter in their name (not the mother's) with an FPN for an unregistered vehicle offence. FPN is apparantly £175.
There's a neighbour who has recently moved into the street accross from their mum's house and in the 1 and a half years they have been living there they've had the Police out to visit them at least 20 times for various things to do with other neighbours.
He had a camera set up facing this person's mum's house, however the camera has recently been removed.
The Police somehow knew the name of the person who apparantly has commited an offence and have informed them in the letter they have suficient evidence to prosecute, so assuming it's footage from the camera from over the road.
What would you do in this scenario? Is it really in the public's interest to prosecute someone for using a Motocross bike for a few seconds / feet to push it onto the back of a van?
I've advised them not to pay it, and to go to court in the hope the witness who submitted the evidence doesn't turn up, or they can try and convince the judge it's a non issue.
Can you post up a copy of the letter with personal details obscured?Someone i know bought a Motocross motorbike earlier this year.
They had it stored in a shed in their mum's garden for 2 weeks whilst they had more appropriate storage sorted out.
They don't live with their mum and haven't done so for many years.
This was back in February sometime.
When they were moving the bike to the new unit, it was wheeled out from the garden, down the driveway and onto the pavement / road for about 5 seconds / 5 feet before it was then pushed onto the back of the transport vehicle to be taken away,
Queue this week where the person's mother got a letter in their name (not the mother's) with an FPN for an unregistered vehicle offence. FPN is apparantly £175.
There's a neighbour who has recently moved into the street accross from their mum's house and in the 1 and a half years they have been living there they've had the Police out to visit them at least 20 times for various things to do with other neighbours.
He had a camera set up facing this person's mum's house, however the camera has recently been removed.
The Police somehow knew the name of the person who apparantly has commited an offence and have informed them in the letter they have suficient evidence to prosecute, so assuming it's footage from the camera from over the road.
What would you do in this scenario? Is it really in the public's interest to prosecute someone for using a Motocross bike for a few seconds / feet to push it onto the back of a van?
I've advised them not to pay it, and to go to court in the hope the witness who submitted the evidence doesn't turn up, or they can try and convince the judge it's a non issue.
Retroman said:
The Police somehow knew the name of the person who apparantly has commited an offence and have informed them in the letter they have suficient evidence to prosecute, so assuming it's footage from the camera from over the road.
What would you do in this scenario? Is it really in the public's interest to prosecute someone for using a Motocross bike for a few seconds / feet to push it onto the back of a van?
I've advised them not to pay it, and to go to court in the hope the witness who submitted the evidence doesn't turn up, or they can try and convince the judge it's a non issue.
if the vehicle isn't registered how do the Police know who to prosecute??What would you do in this scenario? Is it really in the public's interest to prosecute someone for using a Motocross bike for a few seconds / feet to push it onto the back of a van?
I've advised them not to pay it, and to go to court in the hope the witness who submitted the evidence doesn't turn up, or they can try and convince the judge it's a non issue.
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